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Apr 3 2023 04:09am
https://www.businessinsider.com/john-edwards-last-presidential-candidate-charged-with-campaign-finance-violations-2023-3

Another relevant case to bring up. John Edwards was criminally charged by federal prosecutors for the exact inverse of Donald Trump's case. The prosecutors said that because John Edwards paid hush money to mistress using his own campaign funds, he was committing campaign finance fraud. In doing so, the feds set an explicit precedent that they considered "hush money to a mistress" to be a personal, not campaign expense, even if it was affecting an election. He took donations for it and misrepresented them in disclosures by calling them expenses like 'chairs' and 'bookcase'. And when they took Edwards to trial, he was acquitted on one charge, jury deadlocked on five, and the DoJ chose not to retry him.


This means that there's explicit DoJ precedent that rejects the interpretation used by Alvin Bragg in the Stormy Daniels case. If Bragg argues that hush money payments are campaign expenses under state law, then there is explicit precedent establishing they are personal expenses under federal law and campaign expenses under state law, which de facto criminalizes an otherwise legal activity. And since that applies to all 'personal' campaign expenses in general, that means Bragg would be criminalizing all political campaigning, ergo revoking the first amendment and our democracy at large.
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Apr 3 2023 08:16am
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 3 2023 06:09am)
https://www.businessinsider.com/john-edwards-last-presidential-candidate-charged-with-campaign-finance-violations-2023-3

Another relevant case to bring up. John Edwards was criminally charged by federal prosecutors for the exact inverse of Donald Trump's case. The prosecutors said that because John Edwards paid hush money to mistress using his own campaign funds, he was committing campaign finance fraud. In doing so, the feds set an explicit precedent that they considered "hush money to a mistress" to be a personal, not campaign expense, even if it was affecting an election. He took donations for it and misrepresented them in disclosures by calling them expenses like 'chairs' and 'bookcase'. And when they took Edwards to trial, he was acquitted on one charge, jury deadlocked on five, and the DoJ chose not to retry him.


This means that there's explicit DoJ precedent that rejects the interpretation used by Alvin Bragg in the Stormy Daniels case. If Bragg argues that hush money payments are campaign expenses under state law, then there is explicit precedent establishing they are personal expenses under federal law and campaign expenses under state law, which de facto criminalizes an otherwise legal activity. And since that applies to all 'personal' campaign expenses in general, that means Bragg would be criminalizing all political campaigning, ergo revoking the first amendment and our democracy at large.


lmaooo dude knocked up a side chick while his wife was dying, wewlad
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Apr 3 2023 11:02am
Quote (TiStuff @ Apr 1 2023 03:36am)
HAW HAW HAW people in government are righteous and cant be paid off haw HAW HAW what a leftie



So you think Trump will pay people off in this criminal case ?
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Apr 3 2023 11:09am
Quote (TiStuff @ Apr 1 2023 11:23am)
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE all jabbed up with the trump juice


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So you think Trump will pay people off in this criminal case ?



the moment trump vs lefties became the NFL vs bill belichick.
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Apr 3 2023 11:14am
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the moment trump vs lefties became the NFL vs bill belichick.


So now you believe Obama is to blame for deflate gate.

Got it.
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So now you believe Obama is to blame for deflate gate.

Got it.



This goes all the way back to snowplowgate l.
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Apr 3 2023 05:11pm
So the two legal theories used by the FEC and AG Bragg overlap on any expenses that are personal expenses under the FEC ("could exist without an election") and campaign expenses under the NY BoE ("related to a campaign in any way")
This would de facto criminalize anything that falls inbetween these two standards, as you're either paying with personal funds (a NY state crime) or campaign funds (a federal crime)

what sort of expenses would fall into this category?
Haircuts are the obvious one since its the FEC's own example, a haircut can earn you votes, or lose them for you (citation: stewart mills iii)
but I imagine it would go much farther than that. Personal hygiene of any kind, grooming, nails, etc. Not just salons and hairdressers but presumably all shopping for such materials needed, even just buying a bottle of shampoo at walmart. The FEC's own webpage lists examples of personal expenses that fall in this gap, including household food items and supplies, funeral and burial expenses, clothing, tuition, mortgage/rent, entertainment, dues, feeds, gratuities. It seems that all of these could influence an election in one way or another. After all, politicians very publicly eat foods in Iowa for the express purpose of gaining votes, just look at that infamous photo of Michelle Bachmann chomping down on a corn dog. Or anything AOC wears. The FEC lists meal expenses, childcare, travel, vehicles, and much more.


I humbly propose that in order to satisfy the terms set by Alvin Bragg in this prosecution, New York politicians and all federal office-seekers who campaign in New York must now live a life of total asceticism, forsaking all worldly conveniences and pleasures. They must subsist only on meals that can be attained for free- and presumably this cannot include illegal campaign donations from charitable organizations that aren't permitted political expenditures, so we're talking whatever they can find in trash cans or mice they can skewer and roast. Politicians will not be allowed to engage in any personal hygiene or grooming that costs money or requires purchase of materials, nor any services provided by other parties as these would constitute in-kind donations, a thing of value. They are no longer allowed to travel nor pay to rent, purchase or maintain property, so they must live indigents. I propose that to create accommodations for our new politician class, a public space be set aside in public parks for politicians to assemble their shanties built out of whatever materials they can scrounge freely from nature. Unlike the normal homeless, we'll actually prosecute them for panhandling or begging as these would constitute felonious acts of campaign finance fraud.
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Apr 3 2023 05:26pm
The MUG SHOT guys, :thumbsup:

/e OMG nooooooooo

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-mugshot-indictment-private-unless-public-leak-2023-4


"Under New York law, mugshots are not public record. "


nooooo !!

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