surely has nothing to do with the fact that the NRA is the biggest, most influential, and most vocal gun rights organisation and that even their "moderate" (hilarious) positions are in stark contrast to "the left's" positions... what an idiotic "point" to make...

This post was edited by fender on Feb 23 2018 03:29am

Dont be douchebags guys; and lets be honest: the weirdly high murder rate in usa is caused by anything (mental illiness, natural american "culture", [etc?] but NOT firearms.

What do you think is 'idiotic' about it? other than the fact that you dont like what he said and the questions he posed.

Intellectual curiosity and observations are idiotic in your view. That explains a lot.

Its true that the NRA is the moderate wing of the gun rights movement. They are far too keen to support various gun control efforts.
Yet leftists like yourself buy into this narrative that they are some crazy evil and insidious group that are paying off politicians to support gun rights, instead of a widely popular and moderate guns rights organization that is not radical at all compared to the positions of millions of Americans who support gun rights.

wow, you actually didn't get it? ok, for the REALLY slow people:
- it is idiotic to imply that criticising the NRA is somehow "scapegoating" when it couldn't be more obvious that the very positions they advocate are in direct conflict to those the people criticising them hold.
- it is idiotic to therefore conclude "the left" hasn't figured out that most gun nuts are even crazier (or at the very least less "diplomatic") than the NRA - especially if you take into account the enormous political influence the NRA has.



wrong. just because you pathetically didn't manage to figure out what i criticised the post for, doesn't mean your unfounded assumptions and lazy ad hominems make any sense.



what a bs deflection, i'm pretty sure MOST people are aware that even the insane positions of the NRA are just the "pretty" face of america's gun obsessed right.
but again, the fact that they are the biggest, most politically influential, and most visible organisation, makes them a completely LOGICAL and VALID target of criticism. to imply that it somehow makes no sense because most gun obsessed individuals are even more radical is completely failed "logic".

the fact that you celebrate that as some kind of intellectually curious and particularly observant post is outright amusing...

The left is looking for someone with differing views to blame.
The NRA has filled this role for them and have been the subject of incredible amounts of hate and personal attacks and the narrative has been to paint them as some extremist crazy organization responsible for the shootings, despite the NRA being moderates and not actually being at fault for shootings or the incompetence of the FBI and local police departments.
Thats a scapegoat.

The implication is not that they don't have actual differences with the left.
Your premise is wrong and your argument falls apart. again.



He did not suggest that they aren't a logical target.
He only recognized the fact that they are the target and posed a related legitimate question about why they are the target.

You are de facto answering it.

I believe its a combination of both. Many people are ignorant about the NRA and are easily led astray by radical leftists.
Some dont care that they aren't that radical and are 'LOGICALLY' using them as a strategic scapegoat and target.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Feb 23 2018 04:24am

no, it is NOT scapegoating because the reality is that the NRA not only blocked gun regulations that would have prevented many crimes, but even research concerning gun violence.
your dishonest excuses are ineffective, the NRA is a major culprit in this gun epidemic, it doesn't matter if hacks acknowledge that or try to deflect with even more radical gun nuts.

the fact that you really can't distinguish that anymore speaks for itself. but keep providing such easily refutable and mockable posts of your fellow simple-minded shills, you keep making my argument...

This post was edited by fender on Feb 23 2018 04:38am

correction: My factual and logical responses are ineffective on the insane, unintelligent and dishonest.

nice dodge, your hackery has been exposed once more. but keep telling yourself that you made perfect sense even though you couldn't even identify the most obvious criticism and had to resort to lazy ad hominems yet again...

the NRA IS a culprit, gets rightfully criticised, and just because many gun nuts are even more radical that does NOT mean the NRA just serves as a "scapegoat". no, they have the most political influence and the largest public profile and are therefore a perfectly valid and reasonable target of criticism, no matter if some dishonest, untintelligent, and insane shills can accept that or if it triggers them into oblivion...

old but fine:

NRA which is supported by donations is Hitler confirmed