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Mar 18 2018 12:20pm
Quote (Scaly @ Mar 18 2018 12:06pm)
fucking lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peL7Qecg3qQ

He's a goddamn moron.


Ted was valedictorian in HS, cum laude from princeton, magna cum laude from harvard law with a JD, speaker of the year on the debate team, law clerk to rehnquist, in and out of private practice and high profile state and federal positions.
Before 2016, Cruz was very obviously emulating George W. Bush and playing dumb in order to appeal to voters in hopes of his own presidential bid. Then Trump wins, and Cruz suddenly morphs into a twitter-fiend making wisecracks and posting memes.
Ted Cruz plays a moron on TV. The real morons are the people who can't distinguish between him and sarah palin, and who actually think he believes what he spout about climate change. His agenda is transparent. But people underestimating Ted Cruz is what makes him dangerous
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Mar 18 2018 12:53pm
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Ted was valedictorian in HS, cum laude from princeton, magna cum laude from harvard law with a JD, speaker of the year on the debate team, law clerk to rehnquist, in and out of private practice and high profile state and federal positions.
Before 2016, Cruz was very obviously emulating George W. Bush and playing dumb in order to appeal to voters in hopes of his own presidential bid. Then Trump wins, and Cruz suddenly morphs into a twitter-fiend making wisecracks and posting memes.
Ted Cruz plays a moron on TV. The real morons are the people who can't distinguish between him and sarah palin, and who actually think he believes what he spout about climate change. His agenda is transparent. But people underestimating Ted Cruz is what makes him dangerous


Cruz smartest guy in govt.
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Mar 18 2018 01:39pm
Quote (Scaly @ Mar 18 2018 10:06am)
fucking lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peL7Qecg3qQ

He's a goddamn moron.


He's actually a really intelligent person. He ran a really solid GOP campaign, clerked for a SCOTUS justice, argued several dozen cases to SCOTUS while solicitor general of Texas, etc. He's playing a long game and is very very good at it.


Also, here's a really good article about the McCabe fiasco:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-firing-andrew-mccabe

This post was edited by thundercock on Mar 18 2018 01:41pm
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Mar 18 2018 02:04pm
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He's actually a really intelligent person. He ran a really solid GOP campaign, clerked for a SCOTUS justice, argued several dozen cases to SCOTUS while solicitor general of Texas, etc. He's playing a long game and is very very good at it.


Also, here's a really good article about the McCabe fiasco:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-firing-andrew-mccabe


I think the most important article is the one McCabe himself ghost-wrote, the WSJ one that got him fired:
http://archive.is/u1ROD

Lawfareblog doesn't want to delve into the evidence without the OIG / OPR reports to confirm what everyone already knows, but we can look and see exactly what McCabe was doing. He was leaking all the gory details of the Clinton investigation to the WSJ in order to do damage control both for himself and Hillary in the immediate followout of Comey's announcement and Weiner's disappear laptop. And from the evidence, they had ample reasons to fire McCabe.
Instead that article just seems caught up in the superficial aspects of the timing and process. They are talking about the same kind of political interference and rationale for obstructing an investigation without presumption of good faith that is precisely what got us into this mess when Comey publicly announced Hillary's investigation for his stated reason of anticipating the fallout of conspiracy theorists after the election. If the FBI held off on taking disciplinary action against McCabe because of the optics of the politicized process, they would be repeating the same trap. Look at the parallels to all the Clinton investigation arguments that Comey himself cited as reasons for his public announcement, which is what got him fired:

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In the end, such conduct necessarily taints the merits of the action against McCabe. Even if the Justice Department’s process proves pure as the driven snow and the case against McCabe proves compelling, who is going to believe—in the face of overt presidential demands for a corrupt Justice Department—that a Justice Department that gives the president what he wants is anything less than the lackey he asks for? The Justice Department career officials involved in this action know this. They know they are being made to look like lackeys, which may be reason to assume that they will have dotted every “i” and crossed every “t” in this instance—and that the facts against McCabe must be bad. But the politicization of law enforcement takes place either way—the latest and perhaps one of the most extreme instances of politicization in a chain of events that has embroiled the FBI in partisan politics since the beginning of the Clinton email investigation. If this action is the political attack that McCabe says it is, everyone involved is responsible for a terrible smear and a horrific abuse of a longtime public servant. But if the dismissal is absolutely justified and the public doesn’t believe that, the integrity of law enforcement suffers as well.


Comey himself could have written such a paragraph about his reasons. The integrity of law enforcement would suffer if America found out the FBI opened up an investigation into Hillary just before the election and kept it quiet because their rules on disclosure told them to do so. It would have been seen as proof of conspiracy by the red hats and Hillary would throw the FBI and Comey under the bus and he knew all that was coming, so he went ahead and 'informed congress' in violation of FBI disclosure policy.
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Mar 18 2018 04:38pm
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I think the most important article is the one McCabe himself ghost-wrote, the WSJ one that got him fired:
http://archive.is/u1ROD

Lawfareblog doesn't want to delve into the evidence without the OIG / OPR reports to confirm what everyone already knows, but we can look and see exactly what McCabe was doing. He was leaking all the gory details of the Clinton investigation to the WSJ in order to do damage control both for himself and Hillary in the immediate followout of Comey's announcement and Weiner's disappear laptop. And from the evidence, they had ample reasons to fire McCabe.
Instead that article just seems caught up in the superficial aspects of the timing and process. They are talking about the same kind of political interference and rationale for obstructing an investigation without presumption of good faith that is precisely what got us into this mess when Comey publicly announced Hillary's investigation for his stated reason of anticipating the fallout of conspiracy theorists after the election. If the FBI held off on taking disciplinary action against McCabe because of the optics of the politicized process, they would be repeating the same trap. Look at the parallels to all the Clinton investigation arguments that Comey himself cited as reasons for his public announcement, which is what got him fired:



Comey himself could have written such a paragraph about his reasons. The integrity of law enforcement would suffer if America found out the FBI opened up an investigation into Hillary just before the election and kept it quiet because their rules on disclosure told them to do so. It would have been seen as proof of conspiracy by the red hats and Hillary would throw the FBI and Comey under the bus and he knew all that was coming, so he went ahead and 'informed congress' in violation of FBI disclosure policy.


Anyone aware of the situation knows that McCabe's firing may be appropriate in general. The issue is the optics and Trump being a vengeful dick towards the DoJ. I really hope that he crosses the line and the GOP neuters him completely.

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Anyone aware of the situation knows that McCabe's firing may be appropriate in general. The issue is the optics and Trump being a vengeful dick towards the DoJ. I really hope that he crosses the line and the GOP neuters him completely.


Okay but my point is that this is the exact same line of reasoning that got us into the mess in the first place, if we trust Comey's motivation, which I think is the most rational explanation.
Comey argued he violated disclosure rules and made the political announcement of Hillary's new investigation precisely because he wanted to avoid the optics of a cover-up, thereby preventing the erosion of legitimacy of the FBI that would ensue if it came out that the FBI had an open investigation on Hillary and didn't disclose it. But then he felt obligated to even out the score by announcing an abrupt conclusion of that investigation- both violations of normal protocol. All this was done, according to him, out of optics.
The subtext I point out is that there was internal struggle at the FBI as Clinton partisan McCabe tried to hide Weiner's laptop entirely, but Comey knew it would come out eventually, and so the very decision to re-open the investigation was out of Comey's "optics" calculation, he knew it would come out either way- and because he already knew the political interference run to exonerate Clinton the first time around. And then once Comey opened the door, McCabe went further and leaked to the media in order to cover himself and Clinton. At that point the FBI was thoroughly politicized and compromised, much to the irony of Comey's intent. And after the election with Trump in power they both went full retard mode in the "FBI Winter" of nonstop leaks, because they both hated Trump.

So here we are saying that the optics of bringing back impartial order and apolitical ethics discipline are dangerous because of the politicization, and they make an argument for allowing this politicization to interfere with the decision making and normal protocol
that's how we got into this mess
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Okay but my point is that this is the exact same line of reasoning that got us into the mess in the first place, if we trust Comey's motivation, which I think is the most rational explanation.
Comey argued he violated disclosure rules and made the political announcement of Hillary's new investigation precisely because he wanted to avoid the optics of a cover-up, thereby preventing the erosion of legitimacy of the FBI that would ensue if it came out that the FBI had an open investigation on Hillary and didn't disclose it. But then he felt obligated to even out the score by announcing an abrupt conclusion of that investigation- both violations of normal protocol. All this was done, according to him, out of optics.
The subtext I point out is that there was internal struggle at the FBI as Clinton partisan McCabe tried to hide Weiner's laptop entirely, but Comey knew it would come out eventually, and so the very decision to re-open the investigation was out of Comey's "optics" calculation, he knew it would come out either way- and because he already knew the political interference run to exonerate Clinton the first time around. And then once Comey opened the door, McCabe went further and leaked to the media in order to cover himself and Clinton. At that point the FBI was thoroughly politicized and compromised, much to the irony of Comey's intent. And after the election with Trump in power they both went full retard mode in the "FBI Winter" of nonstop leaks, because they both hated Trump.

So here we are saying that the optics of bringing back impartial order and apolitical ethics discipline are dangerous because of the politicization, and they make an argument for allowing this politicization to interfere with the decision making and normal protocol
that's how we got into this mess


We used to live in a culture that valued honor

Now we live in a culture that values comfort

Explaining the difference is a lost cause for a lot of people
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Mar 19 2018 02:56pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 19 2018 03:48pm)
We used to live in a culture that valued honor

Now we live in a culture that values comfort

Explaining the difference is a lost cause for a lot of people


We can get back to that after the Boomers die off. They are way too egocentric and they've controlled the political system from the 1970s to 2018. Every major issue facing the United States has been the issue facing the Baby Boomers. Generation X and Generation Y aren't even going to get a chance due to being crushed under their yoke. It's funny that presidents have just been getting older and older as the Boomers have aged. Last election was between two geriatric candidates.

Before they die they're going to completely crush our human service system in America.

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We can get back to that after the Boomers die off. They are way too egocentric and they've controlled the political system from the 1970s to 2018. Every major issue facing the United States has been the issue facing the Baby Boomers. Generation X and Generation Y aren't even going to get a chance due to being crushed under their yoke. It's funny that presidents have just been getting older and older as the Boomers have aged. Last election was between two geriatric candidates.

Before they die they're going to completely crush our human service system in America.


I'm definitely very curious at what the political and socio-economical landscape will look like post-boomer.
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