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Quote (dro94 @ 13 Feb 2018 20:07)
Stop letting them into the UK, for one.
Cases like this are why I've changed positions on my view of the death penalty. I'd have no problem with murder, rape, GBH or treason being punishable with the death penalty as long as the case is watertight.


With his face on medias... 17 years jail... I guess he will pay back very well the cracked bones. Even if it's reduced to 10 or so later.
Now, yes, theres a serious problem when he will be out. Maybe he will grow up, this story is pretty close to the one with the chief fireworker that raped a 4 years old girl. (topic).


Quote (IgoSoHard @ 13 Feb 2018 19:12)
I wondered what your Christian beater looked like


https://www.zinfos974.com/photo/art/grande/8587974-13532916.jpg

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Quote (dro94 @ 13 Feb 2018 19:07)
Stop letting them into the UK, for one.

Cases like this are why I've changed positions on my view of the death penalty. I'd have no problem with murder, rape, GBH or treason being punishable with the death penalty as long as the case is watertight.


Cambridgeshire, where this man was from, is inside the UK already. As far as I can tell he wasn't 'let in' from anywhere.
Plenty of arsehole natives perfectly capable of these kinda crimes. You've seen Liverpool City on a Saturday night after a football match. You know it's true.
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Quote (IgoSoHard @ 13 Feb 2018 18:12)
I wondered what your Christian beater looked like


I buy mine from this guy -

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/05/18/this-christian-is-selling-child-beating-sticks-but-he-doesnt-want-the-internet-to-find-out/
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Quote (cambovenzi @ 13 Feb 2018 14:21)
I suppose i didnt expect you to be smart enough to make connections and understand what i was talking about and respond intelligently to my points rather than continuing your verbal diarrhea of unjustifiable insults and spin.

'wow hes equating doors with corruption and buying politicians!! they are like totally different! he must be a hack!'
No, its an analogy with certain similarities and i'm testing the principles of he situation.
I was accused of being a shill for pointing out that rules against personal attacks have some legitimate uses and aren't just some evil plot to protect corporations and big government, and the implication was that i should oppose something because it was allegedly in the best interests of corporations and politicians.


ah, the cletus special: 'b-b-but i was merely pointing out that rules have SOME legitimate uses' - guess what, no one even suggested otherwise. it speaks for itself that you have to generalise the topic beyond recognition and resort to such vague commonplaces in order to pretend your fallacy-ridden rant was somehow legitimate. if you actually stayed on topic and analysed what happened rather than making ridiculous assumptions and incredibly flawed analogies, you'd realise that pretending she had to be silenced for calmly providing FACTS, while corrupt politicians violating constitutional rights are "just fine", is the very opposite of what you comically still claim to be in favour of...
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Quote (Scaly @ Feb 13 2018 08:45pm)
Cambridgeshire, where this man was from, is inside the UK already. As far as I can tell he wasn't 'let in' from anywhere.
Plenty of arsehole natives perfectly capable of these kinda crimes. You've seen Liverpool City on a Saturday night after a football match. You know it's true.


With his name there is quite a high likelihood that he's a naturalised citizen from Lithuania, Slovenia or Slovakia and not someone that was born or grew up here. Before you say I'm stereotyping, xenophobic or racist, consider that there aren't many 2nd generation Eastern Europeans in the UK around his age and I would not have gone down the same logical pathway if he was asian and had the surname Khan. Whether a native is capable of committing a similar crime isn't an argument I was making, look at Jon Venables or Mary Bell for clear reference of my opinion on that.

Just to clear up any potential misconceptions, my opinion on immigration is the following:

- We are a country of over 65m with one of the highest organic population growth rates in Europe in a country that's 320 million km*2, making us one of the most densely populated countries in the world. As a result of these geographical constraints and high population growth, there is a fundamental lack of housing supply that no government can solve by getting rid of greenbelt, punishing private landlords for following obvious monetary incentives or subsidising private companies to build homes. We're living during one of the worst housing crises in history and the additional 200,000 net migrants a year is an additional unwanted pressure on the housing market.

- Our productivity as a country is so bad that the French could take the Friday off and still produce more units of output a week than us. While that is in part due to a lack of infrastructure spending in the last 10 years, it's also down to the influx of largely unskilled and semi skilled immigrants that drive down productivity and wages.

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A 2015 paper from the Bank of England found that for semi-skilled and unskilled workers in the service sector, a 10 percentage point increase in the proportion of immigrants working in the sector would be associated with a 1.88% reduction in pay.


http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-labour-market-an-overview/

- Western principles and values are being eroded due to massively (changed/)changing demographics, primarily a result of 1950's immigration from the commonwealth countries of India and Pakistan. 2nd and 3rd generation British Muslims are, on average, extreme social conservatives that poll highly on views like death to apostates, homosexuality being outlawed, terrorism being justified in some or all cases, it should be illegal to criticise Islam, and so on. These aren't all done by the daily mail, either.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/738852/British-Muslims-Sharia-Law-enforced-UK-Islam-poll

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/c4-survey-and-documentary-reveals-what-british-muslims-really-think

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/one-in-four-british-muslims-have-some-sympathy-for-motives-behind-charlie-hebdo-attacks-10068440.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

To conclude, our successive governments are far more responsible than migrants for causing our economic woes and we shouldn't use them as the scapegoat like they so often are, but we should also recognise the drawbacks of mass immigration considering the size of our country and pressure on services like housing and the NHS. What is far more concerning than the economy to me is the erosion of Western values and liberalism that is inextricably linked to the censorship of views that challenge cultural relativism, immigration or religion; and cordoning off people of different backgrounds which has resulted in the progressive slide of young Muslims into extremist ideologies that their parents and grandparents didn't have when they came here.

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Quote (dro94 @ Feb 13 2018 02:13pm)
With his name there is quite a high likelihood that he's a naturalised citizen from Lithuania, Slovenia or Slovakia and not someone that was born or grew up here. Before you say I'm stereotyping, xenophobic or racist, consider that there aren't many 2nd generation Eastern Europeans in the UK around his age and I would not have gone down the same logical pathway if he was asian and had the surname Khan. Whether a native is capable of committing a similar crime isn't an argument I was making, look at Jon Venables or Mary Bell for clear reference of my opinion on that.

Just to clear up any potential misconceptions, my opinion on immigration is the following:

- We are a country of over 65m with one of the highest organic population growth rates in Europe in a country that's 320 million km*2, making us one of the most densely populated countries in the world. As a result of these geographical constraints and high population growth, there is a fundamental lack of housing supply that no government can solve by getting rid of greenbelt, punishing private landlords for following obvious monetary incentives or subsidising private companies to build homes. We're living during one of the worst housing crises in history and the additional 200,000 net migrants a year is an additional unwanted pressure on the housing market.

- Our productivity as a country is so bad that the French could take the Friday off and still produce more units of output a week than us. While that is in part due to a lack of infrastructure spending in the last 10 years, it's also down to the influx of largely unskilled and semi skilled immigrants that drive down productivity and wages.



http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-labour-market-an-overview/

- Western principles and values are being eroded due to massively (changed/)changing demographics, primarily a result of 1950's immigration from the commonwealth countries of India and Pakistan. 2nd and 3rd generation British Muslims are, on average, extreme social conservatives that poll highly on views like death to apostates, homosexuality being outlawed, terrorism being justified in some or all cases, it should be illegal to criticise Islam, and so on. These aren't all done by the daily mail, either.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/738852/British-Muslims-Sharia-Law-enforced-UK-Islam-poll

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/c4-survey-and-documentary-reveals-what-british-muslims-really-think

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/one-in-four-british-muslims-have-some-sympathy-for-motives-behind-charlie-hebdo-attacks-10068440.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

To conclude, our successive governments are far more responsible than migrants for causing our economic woes and we shouldn't use them as the scapegoat like they so often are, but we should also recognise the drawbacks of mass immigration considering the size of our country and pressure on services like housing and the NHS. What is far more concerning than the economy to me is the erosion of Western values and liberalism that is inextricably linked to the censorship of views that challenge cultural relativism, immigration or religion; and cordoning off people of different backgrounds which has resulted in the progressive slide of young Muslims into extremist ideologies that their parents and grandparents didn't have when they came here.


you telling me if you bring in millions of low skilled people who don't share western values and also reproduce at rates far higher than the native population there will be problems maintaining a culture and western civilization in general?
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they updated it after he won the gold...anti-american trash organization needs to be defunded to the grave #FAKENEWS

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