strange. in my impression, at least since 2015, it is the far left that's shouting down anyone who doesnt agree with them.

Haha classic trumpet and his impression, is your safe space impressioned with white padding?

well, no one suggested to advertise any details of measures. but a public statement from the president that he takes these attacks seriously and a condemnation would be appropriate and far from "starting world war III", don't you think? but not only doesn't he do that, he actively defies congress and deliberately misses deadlines in order to SPARE russia from sanctions for their election meddling, sanctions that an overwhelming majority of BOTH parties voted for. so while there might be people working on trying to secure your elections, it's highly improbable that's happening on trump's initiative.




i would argue his hatred for obama was already well established at that point. the countless personal and character attacks speak for themselves. it's so typical for the MASSIVE double standard though: trump keeps insulting, cheating, scamming, berating, belittling, mocking, attacking, and lying about other people / nations / races, but the minute a democrat does something (says "deplorable", makes fun of someone in public), the snowflakes on the right lose their shit and act like it's the end of the world, and any backlash for that is somehow justified...

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depends heavily on the issue at hand. The GOP doesn't want to hear about slowly tweeking the healthcare system, they want an all out repeal or hell to pay. They don't want to hear about common sense guncontrol, and neither do the dems.

we live in a heavily polarized system right now, suggesting that either side is commonly open to talks is a bit silly to me. i think the left hates free speech shit is a bit of a meme, sure their identity politics do lean more towards actual speech control but that doesnt mean in reality the GOP are any more open to honest talks.

Is it ever possible for you to not inject an argument with such blatant subjectivity? No one is saying Trump is a saint or that his reaction is justified because of Obamas jab, it's a simple observation.

no it isnt. its the closest to making a point he comes. like earlier when he figured i (or literally anyone else for that matter) was pro bump stock. then ran like a little girl when corrected to other threads. he's 50% strawmans,40% semantics, and the last 10% is filled with pure emotional appeal.

i dont think that since Card Sultan left we've had a poster who consistently argues against himself as much as this guy.

true, the gop and the far right dont want to hear about a lot of things. they are just as ignorant, I dont deny that.
but in my impression, they dont try to silence those with a different viewpoint. they are not the ones advocating for censorship on social media, they are not the ones advocating for political correctness. the far left does.

holy shit, you are one mad customer, aren't you - any opportunity to find allies to talk shit about me, huh? i guess you're still embarrassed that i exposed your lack of statistics knowledge when i challenged your defense of endless' claim about america's gun death rate, huh?

i said the only ways to justify bump stocks are sarcasm or fiction, and since you took it as personal attack i outright asked you if you saw any legitimate use and you answered "no". i did (and still do) NOT see any controversy there and simply thought that's that then and moved on, but somehow you deluded yourself into thinking i wrongfully implied you were pro bump stock and "ran" when "corrected" - all while amusingly claiming that i am the one making strawmen and emotional appeals?

you seriously need to relax a little and not take everything so personal, or you'll end up like that "excrements" guy who spends his day insulting and stalking people, proudly claiming he's some kind of meme master, while in reality only exposing his pathological obsession...



not only did i NOT claim or imply that you said trump was a saint, i even specifically pointed out that i DON'T think you considered it reasonable or justified, so please get your ad homs out of here and stay on topic, ok?

even though nuance isn't very popular these days, i'm sure you will admit that there is a big difference between claiming he's a saint and ACTING like his actions are somehow justified, thus attributing part of the blame to obama himself - and you can't deny that particularly BlackZitze was doing that. if your best defense of such clearly apologetic behaviour is to state that no one outright claimed trump was a "saint", then that's pretty poor.

other than that, nice dodge on the topic, neither addressing trump's ACTIONS (or rather the lack thereof) concerning russia, nor the massive double standard concerning presidential behaviour...

I find the right to be every bit as authoritarian in modern politics as the left, the differences in speech control specifically are interesting but unimportant with regards to that trend. it may not involve as much legal action but lets not act like the right wouldnt shut down plenty of avenues of freedom of speech and expression. NFL kneeling, corporations running SJW mentality ads, Oscar speeches, news networks, etc. And i've heard plenty on the right suggest actual laws to quash free speech, such as insensible libel and slander laws.



yes, i find them by tossing a dart at the phonebook. i have yet to be told "actually i like that guy"

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fair enough, it's not hard i admit that. but that doesn't change the fact that you're constantly doing it while at the same time claiming you're not mad at all and bitching about emotional appeals...