Yes, it's more than likely that Jesus was a real person. That in no way is evidence or confirmation of god. All we can say is that he almost certainly existed, but we can't say he was the son of god or proof of god.

I disagree.

I base that belief on personal relationship, my life experiences and testimony, everything we know historically proven and everything we know about our universe.

The universe/life needs a cause and that cause would have to be outside space, time, and matter. Therefore eternal, a being that isn't created, but always existing.

We have 1 piece of history that speaks about our creator, gave his life, resurrected fulfilling his purpose and is now in heaven with the father.

The bible is the source that FULLY accounts for everything we know and will continue to learn.

Arthur C. Clarke: 'Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.'

but according to 'atheists God cant be "advanced technology" so its magic. .............being dumb on purpose
living systems (life) prove we are dealing with something far beyond our comprehension. got to be off your nut to insist something like a resurrection cant happen.

are you claiming morality does not need to be grounded at all? do you know what you are saying? would you apply this to reason also? is reason also not justified?

Why should it? I just explained it still preference you are just trading your preferences for that of a wizard.

Already had this conversation with Shadowoffury where I made a point instead of putting your stock into some god you could instead aim to apply practical reasoning and that which works. If you ground morality you are stuck no matter what the situation may dictate. Lets say your grounded morality forbids you to kill and eat people. Thats a perfectly reasonable thing to believe but what if you were in a plane crash and you barely survive. Your friend looks like he isn't going to make it and tells you to kill him and eat his body so that you may survive. Option 1 would be to end his suffering and eat him so you don't die yourself. Option 2 leads to both of you dying and to suffering because you refuse to budge.

Rigid morals are like rigid laws they are convenient and generally apply but not for everyone and not all the time.

I can see the value in aiming to have some general/objective moral framework but not completely fixed it needs have some wiggle room.

yes it's better to die than to murder someone and commit cannibalism, this isn't a hard question. objective morality is not the preferences of God, it is an outpouring of his very nature.

you didn't answer my question, does this apply to reason itself? does reason not need to be justified?

Because you failed to disprove Christianity then it will continue to thrive for another day.

How is it better to die than to kill your friend and eat him? Your friend is dying regardless you kill him or not, he sustained mortal injury and is in excruciating pain. He is begging you to end his life how is it better for you to not kill him? Instead of mercy kill you going to watch as your friend suffers until he expires. That's thats not better its sadistic. Also if you don't eat your friend you too will die and suffer. Instead of making the most of a bad situation you are giving up. Thats pathetic and selfish.

Reason and logic are axiomatic tools that cannot be justified or explained from a position outside of themselves. If you use reason to justify reason then it becomes a circular reasoning like when christians claim the bible is true because the bible said it's true.

You didn't answer my question why should it? And if so why should it be your particular god that you just so happen to believe in. Thats literally making a preference and wanting it to be yours.

because morality is objective and murder and cannibalism are wrong. how is it selfish to die rather than commit immorality? profane understanding of 'selfishness' here

you cannot say my stance is wrong, you simply have a preference of sustaining your survival over not murdering and not committing cannibalism. there is no mercy if there is no objective morality, it's just a random determined chemical reaction in your brain

if reason and logic are axioms and cannot be justified then you could just say the same about God, therefore "Christianity is Obviously Fake" cannot be justified. you are using unjustified reasoning to come to the conclusion Christianity is false, if your starting premise is unjustified all further conclusions are also unjustified this is logic 101. you have literally no foundation at all to even make any claim about anything, it's all just random noise, meaning itself isn't even justified.

what was your question?

Saying morality is objective without how its objective isnt an argument.

I didn't call your choice wrong I called it pathetic and selfish. I personally avoid using morality or Black and white thinking because everything is relative barring a few exceptions. Yesterday's right is today's wrong and vice versa. There is only conditional morality. Killing is wrong unless its (insert condition).

Real world doesn't care about your opinions or morals. Your body and your empty stomach doesn't care about what is right and wrong it cares about getting fed. Morality is nothing more than a social tool to navigate how to get fed and not die while maintaining cohesiveness of the tribe. Because a healthy tribe ensures the body continues to get fed in the future. So in a way morals are tied to survival and wellbeing. That is probably the only grounding they have but that isn't Morality its more of which actions increase our survival and how can we make them even better.

Morality was invented for simpletons who either can't think or don't want to think for themselves. Much easier to tell people whats good or bad then having to ponder the nuance of every decision. Then the church tried to ground their preferences to their god to prevent people raising questions. Then they used special religious scholars to pose as officious bridgekeepers of the word. Only the church can interpret what god wants. These are all control tactics of the cult. Moral grounding is a scam to get you to turn your brain off and open your wallet.