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#171
Sep 30 2022 12:48am
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 29 2022 11:24pm)
The Chinese are the only people fully benefiting from the continued US-Russian hostilities. Everyone else has something to lose, the Chinese are laughing as all their geopoltiical rivals degrade themselves.
What's against it is the remoteness of the action for China to carry out surreptitiously, their risk adverse nature and the extreme backfire if it were discovered. I don't think China are the likely culprits, but when all we're going on is motive, they're the only party with a pure motive.

If China is "laughing" as Ukraine is torn to shreds, then it's only because their non-interventionist foreign policy is once again proving itself as good through yet another negative example.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 29 2022 11:02pm)
The Chinese are not as peaceful as they like to portray themselves

Based on what? Skull measurements?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 29 2022 11:37pm)
That's actually not accurate. Russia intentionally did not refill the German gas storages that they controlled (thanks again to our fucking braindead government) throughout 2021 in a move which was clearly in preparation of the war

It's because your government stopped buying long term contracts and instead went to the spot market. C'mon, this is month seven, lets grow up a little.

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#172
Sep 30 2022 01:03am
By using cui bono everyone is a suspect.
The better question: Who can afford to be exposed? There is only one that lost all western friends for a long time anyways.
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#173
Sep 30 2022 01:20am

Most likely USA did it.
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#174
Sep 30 2022 01:27am
Too many conspiracy theorists. The current US government barely even wants to produce non renewable energy much less sabotage something they’d inevitably have to help fill in for. The US is shitty but not stupid.

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Sep 30 2022 01:29am
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Too many conspiracy theorists. The current US govern barely even wants to produce non renewable energy much less sabotage something they’d inevitably have to help fill in for. The US is shitty but not stupid.


You have to understand something when it comes to the United States.
If they didn't do it, they will have an official statement from the White House saying that they didn't. I havent seen one at the moment.

They are honest in that matter.

If they neither admit or deny , most probably they did it.

The potential energy sales to Europe is just a small part of it. They want to cut off relationship between Russia and Germany once and for all.

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Sep 30 2022 01:30am
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You have to understand something when it comes to the United States.
If they didn't do it, they will have an official statement from the White House saying that they didn't. I havent seen one at the moment.

They are honest in that matter.

If they neither admit or deny , most probably they did it.



There’s no need to. They’d lose nearly all Allies if caught. It would make zero sense.
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#177
Sep 30 2022 01:33am
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There’s no need to. They’d lose nearly all Allies if caught. It would make zero sense.


But there is no proof at the moment that they did it, my point is and it is my point of view that if they neither deny or admit, they most likely did it.
So there is not potential lose of allies since there is no proof.

And there is also no proof that the Russians did it at the moment. It's all speculation, we can only look at whose interests is attained if these pipes are blown and make a connection to it. That is all.
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#178
Sep 30 2022 01:35am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Sep 30 2022 02:33am)
But there is no proof at the moment that they did it, my point is and it is my point of view that if they neither deny or admit, they most likely did it.
So there is not potential lose of allies since there is no proof.

And there is also no proof that the Russians did it at the moment. It's all speculation, we can only look at whose interests is attained if these pipes are blown and make a connection to it. That is all.



We’ll see what happens. The US economically can’t afford to help with gas imports unless they upgrade production immediately.
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#179
Sep 30 2022 01:43am
Quote (MadMan87 @ 30 Sep 2022 15:35)
We’ll see what happens. The US economically can’t afford to help with gas imports unless they upgrade production immediately.


You mean gas export to Europe?
That is absolutely true. But I don't think that is their agenda at the moment.
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#180
Sep 30 2022 01:44am
Quote (MadMan87 @ 30 Sep 2022 09:35)
We’ll see what happens. The US economically can’t afford to help with gas imports unless they upgrade production immediately.


Exactly and if they want to do that there were much better times. A) Sabotage before finishing B ) When Ukraine got attacked C) all the months between the attack and Russia turning off the gasflow.

This attack had ZERO impact of the world gas prices yet, so they can't even sell their LNG more expensive.

High risk for no gain atm. I think before 2023/2024 winter there was no chance of it ever opening up. This winter is more of less secured (unless more pipelines get blown up)

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