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Jun 9 2022 10:34am
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Look into the GoA, they actually care about 2A.
NRA is just a way to make money for their board.


Firearms Policy Coalition > all

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These are the people who actually go out and file lawsuits to defend our rights (and win).
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Jun 9 2022 12:11pm
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Hand guns are already barred by federal law from under 21 Y/O from a licensed merchant, as I'm SURE you're aware. And what if the 18 year old needs protection from her father? Does she just go and beg someone to straw purchase for her? Here in MN, that will land someone in jail for a year.


i'd expect someone who requires a gun to protect her from her father to go to the police, not purchase a firearm to shoot him. but maybe i'm old fashioned.

in any case i see hand guns are the most commonly used type in mass shootings, a statistical category that captures a lot of non-school shooting applicable cases. but do not find a source specifically for school shootings.

so working backwards:

Uvalde, 22 dead, AR 15
Santa Fe, 10 dead, shotgun + revolver
Parkalnd, 17 dead, AR 15
Roseburg Oregon, 10 dead, 2 glock handguns
Santa monica 2013, 6 dead, ar 15
Sandy hook, 27 dead, handguns

plenty of ar 15 carnage in high profile school shootings, and it was the predominate weapon in Vegas.

overall these weapons aren't chosen for maximum efficiency, they're chosen because shooters who are gun illiterate see it's the public enemy #1 and gun chosen by other school shooters. they're seeking to fit the profile to get famous. and as a laymen shooter they're likely better off with it than a hand gun, even if just spraying into crowds. most of these dweebs couldnt put a grouping of any note on a target with a handgun even with a month on the range. the only advantage to a hand gun is quick draw speed and concealability.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 9 2022 11:11am)
i'd expect someone who requires a gun to protect her from her father to go to the police, not purchase a firearm to shoot him. but maybe i'm old fashioned.

in any case i see hand guns are the most commonly used type in mass shootings, a statistical category that captures a lot of non-school shooting applicable cases. but do not find a source specifically for school shootings.

so working backwards:

Uvalde, 22 dead, AR 15
Santa Fe, 10 dead, shotgun + revolver
Parkalnd, 17 dead, AR 15
Roseburg Oregon, 10 dead, 2 glock handguns
Santa monica 2013, 6 dead, ar 15
Sandy hook, 27 dead, handguns

plenty of ar 15 carnage in high profile school shootings, and it was the predominate weapon in Vegas.

overall these weapons aren't chosen for maximum efficiency, they're chosen because shooters who are gun illiterate see it's the public enemy #1 and gun chosen by other school shooters. they're seeking to fit the profile to get famous. and as a laymen shooter they're likely better off with it than a hand gun, even if just spraying into crowds. most of these dweebs couldnt put a grouping of any note on a target with a handgun even with a month on the range. the only advantage to a hand gun is quick draw speed and concealability.



Famous? No. You're confusing hollywood celebs w/ dont drop the soap stars if not lethal injection, not talking about the c19 v4x.
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Firearms Policy Coalition > all

Twitter: @gunpolicy
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/

These are the people who actually go out and file lawsuits to defend our rights (and win).


The reality is guns are bad, the worse reality is that only bad guys will have them. you are allowed to own bad things in a bad world.

both sides get played so a lesser evil is unfortunately the better choice which is to allow the public to own them and carry.

However i personally would prefer no guns including authorities.
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Jun 9 2022 12:27pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 9 2022 01:11pm)
i'd expect someone who requires a gun to protect her from her father to go to the police, not purchase a firearm to shoot him. but maybe i'm old fashioned.

in any case i see hand guns are the most commonly used type in mass shootings, a statistical category that captures a lot of non-school shooting applicable cases. but do not find a source specifically for school shootings.

so working backwards:

Uvalde, 22 dead, AR 15
Santa Fe, 10 dead, shotgun + revolver
Parkalnd, 17 dead, AR 15
Roseburg Oregon, 10 dead, 2 glock handguns
Santa monica 2013, 6 dead, ar 15
Sandy hook, 27 dead, handguns

plenty of ar 15 carnage in high profile school shootings, and it was the predominate weapon in Vegas.

overall these weapons aren't chosen for maximum efficiency, they're chosen because shooters who are gun illiterate see it's the public enemy #1 and gun chosen by other school shooters. they're seeking to fit the profile to get famous. and as a laymen shooter they're likely better off with it than a hand gun, even if just spraying into crowds. most of these dweebs couldnt put a grouping of any note on a target with a handgun even with a month on the range. the only advantage to a hand gun is quick draw speed and concealability.


Police are gonna stay next to her for 3 years until she can buy her own assured safety? Some people don't abide by protection orders.

The weapons chosen correspond generally with the weapon's popularity. The AR15 is probably the most popular rifle in the US, so it makes perfect sense that they're used more often.
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Jun 9 2022 12:30pm
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Police are gonna stay next to her for 3 years until she can buy her own assured safety? Some people don't abide by protection orders.

The weapons chosen correspond generally with the weapon's popularity. The AR15 is probably the most popular rifle in the US, so it makes perfect sense that they're used more often.


so we're now building the niche hypothetical case of an 18 year old girl with a protective order against a father she can't escape who wants to kill her that also for some reason has an acute and lethal allergy to shotguns?

tell that unicorn to fill her dad with .410 bird shot and we can get back to solving issues that exist.
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so we're now building the niche hypothetical case of an 18 year old girl with a protective order against a father she can't escape who wants to kill her that also for some reason has an acute and lethal allergy to shotguns?

tell that unicorn to fill her dad with .410 bird shot and we can get back to solving issues that exist.


Kill? How about rape? She's a legal adult. Is she or is she not entitled to defend herself?
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Jun 9 2022 12:34pm
The reality is the public will never loose their fire arms because they can use the public to shoot people in extreme cases where the system as a whole is threatened.
Not enough authorities stop every good guy from waking the world up, in comes the public!

But topically speaking the simulation loves to justify guns by having them take out criminals who also have them. It's a pretty stable script just like the courts defending the innocent until you realize pfizer owns the GOV & can remove conservative judges.
life has become a weird al yankovic meets lamb chops action song on repeat.

This post was edited by lodd222 on Jun 9 2022 12:35pm
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Quote (Santara @ Jun 9 2022 01:32pm)
Kill? How about rape? She's a legal adult. Is she or is she not entitled to defend herself?


yes, and thankfully shotguns exist for just that.

how many more qualifiers do we need to add to get to the point where a handgun and only a handgun can be used to protect her. police, deadbolt locks, protective orders, shotguns mace and a tazer, all useless. only a glock will save her!

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jun 9 2022 12:49pm
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yes, and thankfully shotguns exist for just that.

how many more qualifiers do we need to add to get to the point where a handgun and only a handgun can be used to protect her. police, deadbolt locks, protective orders, shotguns mace and a tazer, all useless. only a glock will save her!


She uh... supposed to hide at home until she's 21 or should she take the street sweeper with her everywhere?
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