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Jan 26 2022 10:34pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 26 2022 08:31pm)
Which protected class is that discriminating against?


None. I'm just curious your thoughts on the specific example because it would provide me a more informed understanding of your position on the importance of medical care at-large.
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Jan 26 2022 10:39pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 26 Jan 2022 23:23)
Which rights are violated by racial profiling that aren't also violated by racial triaging?


certain uses here (thor, fender etc.) are happy to have the government make people “less than” based on certain characteristics. to them segregationist policies and one-way train trips based on color and creed are “good things”
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Jan 26 2022 10:50pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 26 2022 10:34pm)
None. I'm just curious your thoughts on the specific example because it would provide me a more informed understanding of your position on the importance of medical care at-large.


Well I think its a major failing of society if any citizen is denied life saving medical care because they can't afford it, and it should be one of the fundamental responsibilities of a government to provide it universally, like police, a military, public works, etc
But there's a big difference between how a society structures its access to services for the indigent, and a society that chooses to start restricting access to services to people based on immutable traits they despise.

It would be nice if America could have universal, government-run healthcare sector that cuts out the middlemen and clamps down on the egregious markups and waste
But when I favor a national, socialized healthcare system, I didn't really want a national socialist healthcare system. I don't want to get a $50,000 bill for life-saving covid treatment, but I also don't want to have to take a DNA test and verify the race of my grandparents before they'll give it to me

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Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 26 2022 08:50pm)
Well I think its a major failing of society if any citizen is denied life saving medical care because they can't afford it, and it should be one of the fundamental responsibilities of a government to provide it universally, like police, a military, public works, etc
But there's a big difference between how a society structures its access to services for the indigent, and a society that chooses to start restricting access to services to people based on immutable traits they despise.

It would be nice if America could have universal, government-run healthcare sector that cuts out the middlemen and clamps down on the egregious markups and waste
But when I favor a national, socialized healthcare system, I didn't really want a national socialist healthcare system. I don't want to get a $50,000 bill for life-saving covid treatment, but I also don't want to have to take a DNA test and verify the race of my grandparents before they'll give it to me


Good to know. Goomshill is more based than I originally thought.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 26 2022 10:23pm)
Which rights are violated by racial profiling that aren't also violated by racial triaging?


Unreasonable search and seizure
Detainment without reason

Any other number of things.

Here in America you generally have a right to be left alone and police can't detain you without a good reason and must detain you for the minimum amount of time necessary to conduct their business. Race by definition cannot be a factor in those things because it is not a statistical judgement. It is a judgement based on the set of facts observed for that specific case. Rationing medical care is a statistical judgement because it is based on population outcomes. No medical recommendations are made without this kind of evidence, and that evidence isn't present in policing. An analogy for policing would be something like "If I see a guy running from a murder scene with a gun he's more likely to have committed a crime if he's black" Obviously that's ridiculous. Race is not a factor in if they committed a crime. You need the actual observed set of facts to say if they are suspicious.

Is it illegal to over-police black neighborhoods? no.... obviously not. We've literally done it this entire nation's history.

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Racial rationing of medical care is about the clearest example of illegal, unconstitutional, un-American behavior that I've seen in my lifetime.
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Racial rationing of medical care is about the clearest example of illegal, unconstitutional, un-American behavior that I've seen in my lifetime.


I dunno, I guess I'm a stickler for freedom of speech and have my priorities wrong, but sending storm troopers with battering rams to the homes of journalists in the middle of the night to seize their confidential source materials had a pretty comparable vibe
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Quote (Goomshill @ 27 Jan 2022 06:36)
I dunno, I guess I'm a stickler for freedom of speech and have my priorities wrong, but sending storm troopers with battering rams to the homes of journalists in the middle of the night to seize their confidential source materials had a pretty comparable vibe


that's quite funny to read, because not ONCE have i seen one of your delusional rage essays about all the book bannings and history revisionism that right wingers are doing all over the country, in order to protect fragile white conservative souls from the truth about america and its people.

you people only ever clutch your pearls about "freedom of speech" when it comes to protecting hate speech and racism...

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that's quite funny to read, because not ONCE have i seen one of your delusional rage essays about all the book bannings and history revisionism that right wingers are doing all over the country, in order to protect fragile white conservative souls from the truth about america and its people.

you people only ever clutch your pearls about "freedom of speech" when it comes to protecting hate speech and racism...


didn't germany allow main kampf again to be published and sold? lol.

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Quote (SanduLungu @ 27 Jan 2022 10:21)
didn't germany allow main kampf again to be published and sold? lol.


who told you? are you checking where to get your copy? oh i know, it was one of your six brothers working in germany, right? he actually told me about you after he finished scrubbing my toilet, slightly disappointed that i don't have any chandeliers to steal. according to him, you've been obsessed with chubby teen boys for quite a while now - but hey, to each their own. a shame you're not allowed outside, otherwise you could hop into a container, pick some fruit here, and return as the king of your village after a couple of months...
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