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May 28 2021 12:06pm
Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ May 28 2021 01:16pm)
It's 100% effective. Chopping people hands when they steal, burning them with tires if they rape/do something very bad to someone or hanging them because they ruined someone life... Sure why not? It''ll make people think twice before doing something bad and you save the states $ to get rid of the trash.


Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia if this is what you are down for?
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May 28 2021 12:07pm
Quote (GodSmiter @ May 28 2021 02:06pm)
Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia if this is what you are down for?


Why would i need to go there for that. I never said that's what we need here. I said sure why not to get a reaction. Still, it's 100% effective and make you think twice before commiting a crime. It's a slow death as well. Amount of vids i've watched featuring those things ... I'd think twice lemme say.

The one who are lucky get gunned down by a few guys with semi auto/full auto

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May 28 2021 12:45pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 28 2021 08:58am)
If you are in a society you are in state 3. If you arent you are in state 2. In absence of any agreement between parties the only right is the right of force. The rightful owner is not something you can conclude with pure reason. It depends on the rules of ownership and without rules there is merely force.




Of course society must try to get people to use the courts for the purpose of stability but that doesnt change that you cant steal what is yours.


my point is that you need to have a fundamental set of principles to build a society and we need stay firm on that or we descend into anarchy. If you believe acting out of desperation at the perceived unfairness of a situation is valid justification for comitting a crime then you go very quickly from justifying stealing bread over hunger to robbing a store because you feel they're not paying you your fair share - and you've already fallen down this slippery slope admitting as much.

People in france shot up a newspaper for publishing cartoons of their prophet because they felt wronged and although we may both agree that is wrong for obvious reasons, what those people didn aren't very different from what you're doing which is arbitrarily suspending a system of law and order based on how you feel about a particular situation to mete out street justice.
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May 28 2021 12:55pm
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my point is that you need to have a fundamental set of principles to build a society and we need stay firm on that or we descend into anarchy. If you believe acting out of desperation at the perceived unfairness of a situation is valid justification for comitting a crime then you go very quickly from justifying stealing bread over hunger to robbing a store because you feel they're not paying you your fair share - and you've already fallen down this slippery slope admitting as much.

People in france shot up a newspaper for publishing cartoons of their prophet because they felt wronged and although we may both agree that is wrong for obvious reasons, what those people didn aren't very different from what you're doing which is arbitrarily suspending a system of law and order based on how you feel about a particular situation to mete out street justice.


You drawing a line from taking bread because you will die to killing somebody for making fun of your religious figure.

Are you being serious here? Because this is like maximum autism

I could go the other direction and say that every broken law needs the death penalty. I'm using the exact same line of reasoning you are. In reality system serve people, not the other way around and no system will ever perfectly Define Justice. A system with no wiggle room will collapse on itself just as much as no system at all

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May 28 2021 02:36pm
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You drawing a line from taking bread because you will die to killing somebody for making fun of your religious figure.

Are you being serious here? Because this is like maximum autism

I could go the other direction and say that every broken law needs the death penalty. I'm using the exact same line of reasoning you are. In reality system serve people, not the other way around and no system will ever perfectly Define Justice. A system with no wiggle room will collapse on itself just as much as no system at all


Just having fun with a line of thought ^_^

I'm not talking about the penalties for breaking the law, those would ofcourse vary with the severity of the wrong comitted. The wiggle room remains in the penalties for doing wrong, not in the finding of guilt for crimes. No doubt the sentencing hearing for someone found guilty of stealing bread out of hunger would be incredibly lenient but they are nonetheless guilty of a crime. Why do you deny this?

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Just having fun with a line of thought ^_^

I'm not talking about the penalties for breaking the law, those would ofcourse vary with the severity of the wrong comitted. The wiggle room remains in the penalties for doing wrong, not in the finding of guilt for crimes. No doubt the sentencing hearing for someone found guilty of stealing bread out of hunger would be incredibly lenient but they are nonetheless guilty of a crime. Why do you deny this?


You're conflating the law and justice. Laws are not moral, and laws are not justice, though they may be shaped with those two things in mind.
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May 28 2021 02:57pm
just self incorporate and get better at writing off expenses like us normal folk.
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May 28 2021 03:04pm
Quote (Crunkt @ May 28 2021 04:57pm)
just self incorporate and get better at writing off expenses like us normal folk.


Elaborate please, how can a non contractor/consultant do this? If i could do this i would

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You're conflating the law and justice. Laws are not moral, and laws are not justice, though they may be shaped with those two things in mind.


Id say they're the best version of morality that most of society can agree upon at any given time but i agree that doesn't necessarily make them moral

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May 28 2021 03:12pm
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Elaborate please, how can a non contractor/consultant do this? If i could do this i would

Id say they're the best version of morality that most of society can agree upon at any given time but i agree that doesn't necessarily make them moral


I see a system that doesnt allow a starving person to eat a piece of bread as unjust. This would be one of those unjust hierarchies, the ownership hierarchy, that anarchists think should be changed. If you make a basket and sell it that's just. If you have a million loaves of bread and somebody is starving from not having one then that is unjust.

Same with insulin. If insulin costs 50c to make and you sell it for 75c thats probably fine. If you charge 3k and hold their lives in your hand that isn't.

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