As the richer nation with far superior equipment, do Israel not have a greater responsibility to reduce civilian casualties than Hamas?

Hamas shoot hundreds of crappy rockets into Israel, some get intercepted by iron dome, most miss entirely, one or two will injure or kill someone. Israel then do a retaliatory strike on a building in Gaza and kill 50 people

To make a moral equivalence of that under the pretence of defending oneself is simply disingenuous

I know you're from Isral, but your country is jackshit.
Only good thing that came outta that place is Psy Trance

People are not following and are fed too much by Fake news such as TikTok.

Let me make it clear to you:

Jews in Israel are celebrating Jerusalem day each year (which they walk in the city and celebrate it),
this year it occured in parallel to an Islamic holiday 'Idel Fitter', the arabs in Jerusalem did not like seeing jews celebrating around "Har Habait", which is near to "El Aksa".
so they started riots and rock throwings on Jews that has been around (I remind you that this is part of Jerusalem and Israel and they have no right to do so)
After that, Police forces had to step in and suppress this behavior.

Hamas (Terror organization that rules Gaza strip) decided its good timing for incitement and messaged a threat + ultimatum that they'd shoot rockets.
and so they did, they launched rockets towards Israel (Aimed Jerusalem and even some of the rockets would hit 'El Aksa' itself if our systems wouldn't kick in), central of israel and south parts, In addition to that they incite people through the medias and made Arab israeli citizens do riots all over Israel (that is not demonstration, that was literally terror by them, ruining jew's properties, buisnesses, cars, and lycnhing innocents)

for that, Israel had to react, they used the army to take down strategic spots for the Hamas, Hamas activists (Some of them knew we are after them so they sticked to their families, thats why there are some children victims, unfortunatly.)
In order to do damage on their side, Israel took down buildings that were being used by hamas activists, their intelligence spots etc etc.
that was done by alerting all innocents around to flee away. Israel's war is against the Hamas and the Terrorists. purity.

This post was edited by NiRo_O on May 16 2021 03:06am

Please ask yourself this question:
Were you willing to live in fear, running to shelters every time your "neighbors" feel like shooting rockets towards you?
If that happend anywhere else around the world, the reaction would be way more aggressive.

we do whats necessary to earn ourselves a few more years of quiet in our side.

This post was edited by NiRo_O on May 16 2021 03:00am

If I was illegally evicting Palestinians from their homes because muh ancestors lived here then I would accept that it's a provocation

It's no secret Israel is surrounded by countries that want to wipe them off the face of the Earth, so I understand why your government employs a heavy handed approach, but that doesn't make it right and it isn't conducive to a goal of peace

Break down the walls. Just like Israel, Palestine has a right to exist. Unlike Israel, they only have home made firecrackers to fight against state terrorism that is still invading their land, rights, houses an mosques. Toppling urban flats with single shots.

The rebels won't win here. But as long as Gaza is the largest open air prison in the world, rebels are gonna rebel.

One question though.. Whom are safer? The Israeli, or the Palestinians within the walls of Gaza? Whom really live in fear?




Drama. See news from 2014. It's a recurring event. Journalists cannot report from Gaza, this is why we've been seeing a one sided story for decades.

This post was edited by Knoppie on May 16 2021 03:59am

A few more years. That's just another part of the problem here. Israel wields the vast majority of the power and are they taking steps to promote permanent peace? Not when they keep building outposts and settlements in the West Bank.

I've generally been supportive of Israel for a really long time, but with the constant expansion of settlements - which Israel has complete control over - you aren't seeking peace. For that, you are losing your moral high ground. If I were in the Palestinians' shoes, I'm not sure I wouldn't behave the same way. You reap what you sow and you're sowing further reasons for perpetual conflict.

That's just a realistic statement.
We already headed lands towards them, we tried anything.
They just don't like the Jewish state concept

We've developed smart systems to defend ourself and in proud of that.

Another big difference between us and and them is that we use our rockets to protect our childrens, they use their childrens to protect their rockets.

BTW just so you know, Israel supplies electrics, water etc to Gaza stip, they are gettin millions of dollars monthly and all that goes to rockets and such stuff instand of what it's intended to.

I'm not going to dig in every event that has been in the history. I just wanted to clear out about recent events occurred.



This post was edited by NiRo_O on May 16 2021 07:20am

I'm not judging who's right or wrong here, and neither is Trevor Noah in the video. But it's an important question to ask. When you have as powerful a military as Israel does, you can do a LOT of damage in retaliation. At what point does it become overkill, though? When does a casualty ratio become too much? 5:1? 20:1? 50:1? 100:1?

Hamas can eat an entire bag of dicks, but the overly heavy-handed response by the IDF can also eat a bag of dicks.

They set the ratio when they asked for 1000 terrorists to be released in exchange for Gilad shalit that they kidnapped.

So if that's your logics. Somewhere around there buddy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange#:~:text=The%20deal%20was%20brokered%20by,terror%20attacks%20against%20Israeli%20targets.

They have no value for life. Neither ours or their own people's

This post was edited by NiRo_O on May 16 2021 07:24am