im doing ok

What do you mean by "state of society"?

this is such a double edged sword man......

the gop, who are complaining, did literally the same thing against clinton, with no serious crimes in play, let alone international consequences.

they literally did exactly this for a fucking blowjob. they said "its not presidential", and now they back trump.

Of course not, why would they be? Rules for thee and not for me is the cornerstone of the Republican party. If you want to know what the typical GOP voter is like, just look at Ghot. All we can do is step on their throats in 2020 and make sure they never breath again.

Yeah at this point GOP are spinning themselves in circles for the next election, lot of seats up for grabs and they truly need Trumps approval to have a shot at keeping those seats.

Interesting thing will be in 2024 when trump is done, what do they stand for then? Do they go back to traditional conservatism or what? Just like after Bush’s 8 years where McCain got slaughtered running on same principles. The party has transformed in the last 3 years

These percent population numbers in favor/against impeachment are complete bullshit. The majority of the population is not engaged with the affair other than hearing some 'highlights' from their favorite flavor of the day news outlet. Others, tuned in for the house hearings which were a dull affair given the foreplay hype. It is a bit comical everyone gets microfocused on the President slowing war funds to Ukraine. Why do they not focus on controlling how much funds he can spend in the ME shit show war zone? Irony IMO Personally, even if what is alleged is true, it doesn't seem outlandishly out of precedence with former POTUS and their administration. Trump is just sloppy at executing.

Obama was a great executor. Killed US citizen with drones, protected Holder during Fast and Furious. Cracked down a bit on drugs even though PR campaign was promoting the exact opposite message.

GOP voters are firmly behind the president. That is obviously the only consideration that matters here.

If AOC (who will never be president) is tried in the court of public opinion and found guilty, great, the Democrats will have to make a political calculation and act accordingly.

Republicans don't think this is impeachment worthy, and the partisan manner in which the House investigation was conducted has forced the hand of even the moderate, concerned Republican senators.

it was pretty political yes, if that's your point. impeachments are political.

to be fair to precedent though, there were actual crimes listed in the impeachment articles of Clinton
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starr_Report



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

the house hasn't bothered with an independent investigation. they wanted to rush this through so quickly, they didn't even do their own proper investigation.

This post was edited by tagged4nothing on Jan 23 2020 02:02pm

Let's be real though. Because the Republicans are firmly behind the President, they have no interest in actually having an actual investigation. It was going to be partisan no matter what. A small portion of the electorate, maybe 30%, is interested in bipartisanship. Everyone else has no interest in the truth or principle, just power.

this investigation is following the exact precedent, minus the independent investigator. and im sure if they followed that path you'd say they're dragging it out and/or you would say the investigator is too biased.