There was a referendum, the people voted out of the Eu. Remember?

Bottom line is once again that a strong figure is needed to finally get things sorted out just like with Trump in the US. Whether you like them or not doesn't matter they were democratically elected.

Three years of piss arsing around are finally over for the British people.

It took us 3 years to revoke article 50 and secure a divorce bill - do you have any idea how long it will take to negotiate a free trade deal?

Free trade deals take years of negotiations, discussing the fine details in every possible sector of trade. Once (or if) both sides agree on all these details, each country's lawyers then have to go through the detail line by line and edit parts they are not happy with the wording of which then has to be approved by both parties, and then the text has to be translated into both the country's languages before being written into law.

Not only will we have to get a deal with the EU, we'll have to get one with the US, China, India, Japan, Russia, Australia, Canada, South Korea and so on. There is no way this can be done properly in three years, let alone one.

Then after all this time, money and effort, we'll have to compare the proposed FTA's to our current deals. How does it make any logical sense we could have more leverage in deals with countries when negotiating outside of one of the biggest trading blocs in the world with a combined output of £19 trillion and instead as a £2.6 trillion economy?

The pertinent question isn't whether Brexit will be a success but to what extent will it cause us harm in the long run.

This post was edited by dro94 on Dec 16 2019 01:58pm

The leadership race for the Labour party has already begun. I had to facepalm when the frontrunner was Rebecca 'Corbyn without a beard' Long-Bailey. Seriously? Have these Corbyn cultists learned nothing?

Has to be Jess Phillips, Keir Starmer or Lisa Nandy.

Are you seriously surprised that the Corbyn cultists want to replace their Dear Leader with a clone of himself, now that he has become untenable and forced to step down?

You are correct, a lot of negotiation ahead to discuss trade deals. You seem to have the idea though that the UK is now somehow seen as the enemy and has to fight for trade deals which is not the case. The other countries want to trade with you guys as trade is the life blood of their economies. You will see, once brexit is final things will speed up because no trade will cost both sides money.

And the three years I mentioned, come on man it was a joke. Out = out. We saw three years of butthurt politicians blocking any proposal made hence I called it piss arsing around to make the point.

Remember that you have control of your own borders back which was a major point for people to vote out.

But perhaps more importantly you guys are now out of a system that leans on the richer countries having to pay forever for the weaker ones. And the huge debts of the weaker countries has caused the ECB to drop interest rates into negative numbers. Insane.

You realize what this means in the long run for pensions and what happens when people stop saving up money all together because that actually costs money due to inflation and interest on saving accounts being next to zero. There will only be debt debt debt in the EU and will prove to be a fucking house of cards.

While I agree with your assessment of the situation in the eurozone - what does this have to do with the UK? The UK was never part of the eurozone, they had always kept their own currency and werent part of the ECB's Ponzi scheme anyway.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 16 2019 06:38pm

Some interesting stuff:
https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/12/how-britain-voted-and-why-my-2019-general-election-post-vote-poll/



Two things are striking in this data:

- The massive 13-point gender gap in the Tory/Labour margin.
- The almost constant Tory/Labour margin across socioeconomic classes. Usually, the Tories do better with higher socioeconomic classes and Labour does better with the lower ones. This time around, as we will see later on, a lot of Remainer Tories switched to the LibDems while a lot of Labour Leavers switched to the Tories, evening out the usual class split. The one minor exception is the Tory dominance among people classified as 'C2', which is "skilled working class". This class is made up of people like the proverbial "white van guy".




This chart shows the key to the Tory triumph over Labour: defecting Remainer Tories, i.e. those Tories who were out of step with their party on the Brexit issue, largely went to the LibDems, while their counterpart, the defecting Labour Leavers, went to the Tories. In the British FPTP-voting system, this made all the difference. Had Labour and its leadership been more acceptable to Remainer Tories, they might have went with them for this one election. But even for Remainer Tories, the prospect of Brexit was less scary than the prospect of a PM Corbyn.




Among the electorate at large, the NHS was considered roughly equally important with 55% of respondents as Brexit with a combined 57%. This runs directly against the narrative of Scaly and Corbynites that they lost the election because a bad issue for them (Brexit) dominated the campaign while the issue where they had the upper hand (NHS) was much less salient. These numbers, coupled with defecting Remainer Tories largely choosing the LibDems over Labour, is strong evidence that it was indeed Corbyn who was the main problem for Labour.

It's also interesting to see that among those who did name a Brexit stance among their top issues, those wanting to leave ('get Brexit done') led those wanting to remain by 36% to 21%, a decent majority and a 7:4 ratio.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 16 2019 07:30pm

I would have to look it up but IIRC all Eu member states were involved in contributing to the "rescue fund pool" or whatever they called it. The money was made available to bail out failing countries.

Then there is the ECB money printing machine I hadn't even mentioned yet. Insane amounts of money are poured into the EU economy simply by buying up debt from EU member states.

You are correct ofc that the UK kept their own British pound just like a few other nations kept their own currency. They are the smarter ones.

Anyway IMO the best option is to be out of this mess no matter if a country is somewhat less involved. Time will run out and I see it all falling apart at some point.