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#171
Nov 8 2019 12:11pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 8 2019 10:09am)
For someone reading this sentence and not knowing the story, what is the obvious meaning? Well, that the whistle blower went directly to Adam Schiff.

If the right-wing is constructing a narrative of a partisan whistleblower coordinating with a supposedly partisan intel committee chair, it's useful to pretend the whistle blower went right to him. The fact that the whistle blower hasn't met Schiff, and only met with his aide, isn't helpful to the conspiracy narrative. So it is a worthwhile distinction.

The origins are only relevant in a political sense. The whistle blower's complaint was extremely accurate, as the various testimonies have shown.


He's playing dumb.
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#172
Nov 8 2019 12:17pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 8 2019 12:09pm)
For someone reading this sentence and not knowing the story, what is the obvious meaning? Well, that the whistle blower went directly to Adam Schiff.

If the right-wing is constructing a narrative of a partisan whistleblower coordinating with a supposedly partisan intel committee chair, it's useful to pretend the whistle blower went right to him. The fact that the whistle blower hasn't met Schiff, and only met with his aide, isn't helpful to the conspiracy narrative. So it is a worthwhile distinction.


He brought the substance of his complaint to Adam Schiff's office, where it was relayed to Adam Schiff himself. I don't think there's any quibble over using a proxy.
If we found out that Elizabeth Warren personally reached out to Vladimir Putin for help in the 2020 election, but instead of phoning Putin directly, she left a message with Igor Sechin who relayed it to Putin, who then started running an online trollstorm targeting Trump- would we quibble over "Warren didn't talk to Putin"?
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#173
Nov 8 2019 12:21pm
wtf does Adam Schiff have to do with Jeffery Epste.. wait nvm. makes sense why he's involved in this thread too.
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Nov 8 2019 12:22pm
as a side note;

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/11/08/facebook-removes-any-news-reporting-on-or-even-mention-of-who-the-whistleblower-is-alleged-to-be/

Facebook is now censoring any mention of Eric Ciaramella's name, and any links to news reports that mention it.

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Any mention of the potential whistleblower’s name violates our coordinating harm policy, which prohibits content “outing of witness, informant, or activist.” We are removing any and all mentions of the potential whistleblower’s name and will revisit this decision should their name be widely published in the media or used by public figures in debate.


Reddit is not, at least not yet.
Twitter its impossible to tell, they never had as obvious filters and spent more time curating trends- they let Don Jr's tweets stay up at least.



This post was edited by Goomshill on Nov 8 2019 12:23pm
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Nov 8 2019 12:24pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 8 Nov 2019 13:22)
as a side note;

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/11/08/facebook-removes-any-news-reporting-on-or-even-mention-of-who-the-whistleblower-is-alleged-to-be/

Facebook is now censoring any mention of Eric Ciaramella's name, and any links to news reports that mention it.



Reddit is not, at least not yet.
Twitter its impossible to tell, they never had as obvious filters and spent more time curating trends- they let Don Jr's tweets stay up at least.

why is it against facebook (or anyone's for that matter) policy to post a name that was included by Schiff's aides in the impeachment inquiry testimony transcripts? :wacko:
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#176
Nov 8 2019 12:25pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 8 2019 01:22pm)
as a side note;

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/11/08/facebook-removes-any-news-reporting-on-or-even-mention-of-who-the-whistleblower-is-alleged-to-be/

Facebook is now censoring any mention of Eric Ciaramella's name, and any links to news reports that mention it.



Reddit is not, at least not yet.
Twitter its impossible to tell, they never had as obvious filters and spent more time curating trends- they let Don Jr's tweets stay up at least.


im sure this week facebook will be a left wing thinktank that only serves the democrats.

what a wild ride it must be to the Zuck. one week you allowed the russians to hack the election, the next week you're censoring on behalf of the dems, the next week you're a money hungry person who spreads fake news for the republicans, now you're protecting a democrat asset.
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Nov 8 2019 12:26pm
Quote (excellence @ Nov 8 2019 12:24pm)
why is it against facebook (or anyone's for that matter) policy to post a name that was included by Schiff's aides in the impeachment inquiry testimony transcripts? :wacko:


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Nov 8 2019 12:27pm






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#179
Nov 8 2019 12:35pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 8 2019 01:09pm)
For someone reading this sentence and not knowing the story, what is the obvious meaning? Well, that the whistle blower went directly to Adam Schiff.

If the right-wing is constructing a narrative of a partisan whistleblower coordinating with a supposedly partisan intel committee chair, it's useful to pretend the whistle blower went right to him. The fact that the whistle blower hasn't met Schiff, and only met with his aide, isn't helpful to the conspiracy narrative. So it is a worthwhile distinction.

The origins are only relevant in a political sense. The whistle blower's complaint was extremely accurate, as the various testimonies have shown.


That isn't a narrative, it's the narrative. A partisan whistleblower did coordinate with a partisan intel committed chair.

Can that be true and Trump also be guilty of blackmailing the Ukrainian government? Of course.

It's relevant because of how the bureaucratic establishment has leveraged their positions to attack Trump.
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Nov 8 2019 12:41pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 8 2019 01:35pm)
That isn't a narrative, it's the narrative. A partisan whistleblower did coordinate with a partisan intel committed chair.

Can that be true and Trump also be guilty of blackmailing the Ukrainian government? Of course.

It's relevant because of how the bureaucratic establishment has leveraged their positions to attack Trump.


just as the founding fathers intended.
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