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Sep 16 2018 02:57am
Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 16 2018 02:35am)
Maybe we should ask an actual commercial check pilot.

http://www.911myths.com/Another_Expert.pdf


Again Mr allergish to science, words and promises engage thoses who believe in.
Without an experiment his words are not better than all thoses other pilots who says otherwise.
Why do you chose words from someone that suits your mind ? confirmation biais/10
That's not science, that's beliefs.

"Put eleven imbeciles on one side, ten philosophers on the other ... The fools will prevail. That is democracy!" J. Brel

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Sep 16 2018 03:25am
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Again Mr allergish to science, words and promises engage thoses who believe in.
Without an experiment his words are not better than all thoses other pilots who says otherwise.
Why do you chose words from someone that suits your mind ? confirmation biais/10
That's not science, that's beliefs.

"Put eleven imbeciles on one side, ten philosophers on the other ... The fools will prevail. That is democracy!" J. Brel




What is your... point? What are you trying to say?

I watched the planes hit the WTC live on television as it was happening? Are you saying that it was something besides planes that hit the WTCs?
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Sep 16 2018 06:41am
Quote (Melatonina @ Sep 16 2018 03:57am)
Again Mr allergish to science, words and promises engage thoses who believe in.
Without an experiment his words are not better than all thoses other pilots who says otherwise.
Why do you chose words from someone that suits your mind ? confirmation biais/10
That's not science, that's beliefs.

"Put eleven imbeciles on one side, ten philosophers on the other ... The fools will prevail. That is democracy!" J. Brel


Allergic to science? Fucking LOL. That's an actual pilot, who actually flies the actual plane. And a check pilot, at that. Which means he knows the plane inside and out, and knows what it can do and what it cannot do.

That's called" real world experience", not "beliefs".
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Sep 16 2018 07:15am
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Allergic to science? Fucking LOL. That's an actual pilot, who actually flies the actual plane. And a check pilot, at that. Which means he knows the plane inside and out, and knows what it can do and what it cannot do.

That's called" real world experience", not "beliefs".


So far he's just been talking without showing anything close to what we witnessed 17 years ago.
They all just talk about their simulations it's hilarious.

Maybe I missed his video, do you have a link ?
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Sep 16 2018 08:03am
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So far he's just been talking without showing anything close to what we witnessed 17 years ago.
They all just talk about their simulations it's hilarious.

Maybe I missed his video, do you have a link ?


Don't be daft, he did just that.
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Sep 16 2018 11:18am
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What is your... point? What are you trying to say?

I watched the planes hit the WTC live on television as it was happening? Are you saying that it was something besides planes that hit the WTCs?


I think he's talking about AA77 and the Pentagon (at least, with regard to this 270 degree turn at speed).
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Sep 17 2018 10:25am
seems you all forgot the other 9/11

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Sep 17 2018 11:07am
Quote (Melatonina @ Sep 16 2018 07:15am)
So far he's just been talking without showing anything close to what we witnessed 17 years ago.
They all just talk about their simulations it's hilarious.

Maybe I missed his video, do you have a link ?


you can't call simulations of the exact thing we're talking about hilarious when you presented a potato and fry cutter as evidence previously. if you can show that the simulators are incorrect for a specific reason in their programming, or even a practical logical reason in their overall design, that's fine. discounting them without doing either tho is a card sultan move. and should be avoided.
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Sep 17 2018 12:01pm
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you can't call simulations of the exact thing we're talking about hilarious when you presented a potato and fry cutter as evidence previously. if you can show that the simulators are incorrect for a specific reason in their programming, or even a practical logical reason in their overall design, that's fine. discounting them without doing either tho is a card sultan move. and should be avoided.


It was only to illustrate something, not proving it. I cant proof much myself here on a forum, I can only present some facts and then we discuss about it.

I dont have any problems with flight smiluators as long as it is confirmed by real experiment. Which it is lacking. Because as good as computers can be, they can still be unperfect.
No double check = not a valid scienfitic argument.

Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 16 2018 06:18pm)
I think he's talking about AA77 and the Pentagon (at least, with regard to this 270 degree turn at speed).


That is not the only one concerned, but yes it is the most obvious.

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It was only to illustrate something, not proving it. I cant proof much myself here on a forum, I can only present some facts and then we discuss about it.

I dont have any problems with flight smiluators as long as it is confirmed by real experiment. Which it is lacking. Because as good as computers can be, they can still be unperfect.
No double check = not a valid scienfitic argument.



That is not the only one concerned, but yes it is the most obvious.


your doubt in the simulator can not be separated from me doubting your doubt. you can't have doubt that the simulator proves a plan can fly at that level because you have no experiment proving it wouldnt work in real life. unless you fly a $50 million plane at full speed at a lower altitude and it rips itself apart like a tin can you can't doubt the simulator.
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