oh the good old "they had no choice but to become criminals argument", long time no see
if that really would be case (i dont think so) then that is even more reason to deport them
there is no excuse for becoming a criminal, but as i said before they dont look like a group that will

Trump doing the job of a president and referring laws to congress makes him a bad guy?

you have no idea what entrapment means

This post was edited by majorblood on Sep 7 2017 04:33am

Lol? It is Obama's decision to set up DACA by an executive order without consent from Congress that has put this "gun" in Trump's hand.




if government agencies use this information, there will be a public outcry. even if DACA ends up being phased out, I'm 100% sure that they will make a provision not to use the info from DACA application forms to deport them.


if their contribution to the economy and to society is big enough, there will be enough public pressure building up to force congress to pass some sort of new DACA.
but ofc this will only happen if their net contribution is indeed as high as many interest groups are claiming. if dreamers are indeed such valuable members of society, there is nothing to worry about.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 7 2017 04:31am

I'd like to see what you'd do, when put in a foreign country, no way to work.. No way to earn money. Will you survive by begging alone, relying on these natives, or will you become a criminal and steal food ?


Yaay, I don't.. Straight from The Wire, seen it way too often, yet it seems to make sense. Reflects my disgust against making ppl illegal. And like Black_X said: I'm just it will create a public outcry if it were to happen.


Trump administration and his obsession with Obama... What's wrong with going to congress and saying: make a law ?

tv shows aren't law

do you think the president can just tell congress what to do and they have to follow?

This post was edited by majorblood on Sep 7 2017 04:54am

Dude, ofcourse not. Although the wire was pretty close though, and pretty amazing.


It how it happens here..

Are you saying Trump does use a "gun" to get what he wants? That would be too close to what I'm saying, right ?

This post was edited by Knaapie on Sep 7 2017 05:04am

funny you should say that because even with trump having emboldened the extreme right, the will of american people - across party lines - goes way beyond what even DACA did for "dreamers":
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/05/poll-trump-deporting-daca-dreamers-242343

you keep ignoring that it was republicans who FILIBUSTERED congress MAJORITIES - this is exactly what you'd describe as "forcing one's hand" - to either stand idly by and do nothing or "defy the legislative branch" (that keeps holding those people hostage for purely political reasons - again, a majority of americans WANTS them to stay) - something presidents from ALL parties have done in such situations.
also, you can't possibly be oblivious to how insanely hypocritical that is coming from the current administration. have you already forgotten trump's complete lack of respect, even disdain for federal judges and congress? unbelievable...



that's not an argument, there already IS public outcry. trump has proven time and again that he only makes policy for a minority of americans, his base.



considering we are talking about people that were brought here as kids, have been law abiding and productive members of society that grew up in america and very much consider it their home, i totally agree - not sarcastically like you though...



trump also announced multiple times that he would release his taxes. trump also announced criminals would be a priority to deport yet we've seen a surge of deported law abiding and cherished members of their community. then there is that internal memo you so conveniently ignored, suggesting dreamers should prepare to leave... it's sad that your bias seems to make you gullible enough to actually take his word for it despite all the evidence...



if all you can offer are gross misrepresentations of my arguments and points, you should really just consider not posting at all. at no point did i say jeff sessions was a "simplistic idiot" (your reading comprehension seems to deteriorate immensly when you're triggered) nor did i suggest that i know anything better than him, what i said is that there are many legal experts that reject the claim about DACA being unconstitutional and that this NARRATIVE is simplistic. seriously, learn to read.
what i also suggested is that sessions himself is extremely biased in this highly politicised matter and that he has a pretty clear track record concerning ALL kinds of immigration, so acting like his narratives and opinions on the matter represent an objective legal state or are the only viable ones, is nothing short of ridiculous and dishonest. the only "propaganda" here is you uncritically swallowing the right wing talking points, apparently without having any original thought of your own on the matter, and then regurgitating them here like a brainwashed minion, spewing falsehoods and moronic accusations...

This post was edited by fender on Sep 7 2017 05:35am

I think you need to do a lot of research into the American government system before holding opinions about what trump should or shouldn't do

then they should have gotten rid of the filibuster. until then, the filibuster is part of the american political process.





whenever trump does anything, there is a one-sided outcry from liberal and progressive activist groups and the liberal media. sometimes, the usual suspects from the cuckservative wing of the republican party like graham, flake and mccain join in.

what I meant was a real outcry that truly reaches across the aisle.





they would fall back to the status they had before 2012. if that situation is oh so cruel and injust (and congress doesnt act on it for whatever reason), why didnt obama unilaterally launch DACA during the first four years of his presidency? why didnt the immigration-dove bush jr do it, or bill clinton?

prior to obama's DACA order, the issue of the status of the dreamers was considered unsatisfying by many, but it wasnt considered as something that requires immediate action. but now that trump threatens to return to the old status quo, this old status quo is suddenly portrayed as inhuman and unbearable by liberals.

thats not convincing at all and easy to see through. in the paragraph above, you accused republicans in congress of holding the dreamers hostage for their political goals. but if you're honest, you gotta admit that democrats are doing the same thing. they are using the fate of the dreamers, whose issues werent pressing enough to make the unhindered democrat government of 2008-2010 help them, as a weapon to put political pressure and blame on trump.



you're mixing things up here. no one said that no dreamer would ever be deported after DACA runs out. what trump said is that they would not be a priority for deportation. nonetheless, as illegal immigrants, they should of course and obviously be prepared to face deportation. thats the fate their parents chose for them by breaking american law.

what I was referring to is something different: the idea that the trump WH could use the information from the DACA application forms to specifically target dreamers. this kind of breach of trust would indeed be a huge injustice, and it would indeed create a huge public, across-the-aisle outcry. therefore, this specific scenario wont happen.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 7 2017 07:08am

thats cute from the mainstream media monkey in the forum