Quote (ThatAlex @ Apr 27 2016 01:26pm)

Even if you don't like Bernie supporters, they are supporting a real progressive platform whereas the Clinton campaign represents the old, crony capitalistic establishment.

The Left is better for Bernie's support, not worse. Without Bernie, Hillary would basically be a Republican right now because she wouldn't have Bernie pulling her left.

Typically in a democracy, more choices is better. Without Bernie, we would only have Hillary to choose from since the GOP is a disaster. Well, functionally we only have Hillary to choose from, anyways.

A Hillary presidency is going to be quite bad and I don't expect any real progressive reforms to be brought in by her. You'd argue she is more practical than Bernie but I'd counter back with the evidence that suggests the political establishment of this country are not concerned with the wellbeing of the working and middle classes since about the 1970s.

Quote (Beowulf @ 27 Apr 2016 17:03)

if Bernie supporters were informed and truly progressive they would have expected more from him in the form of solutions and abandoned him when he failed to bring any to the table

true progressives would never consider the bernie or bust movement

true progressives wouldn't have resorted to sexism

true progressives would understand that getting some things done right is always better than getting nothing done at all

Quote (ThatAlex @ Apr 27 2016 02:13pm)

"true progressives wouldn't have resorted to sexism"

What has been sexist? If anything, Bernie supporters have been racist toward Black people, but sexist? Please explain.

Quote (Beowulf @ 27 Apr 2016 17:23)

You are wanting me to post thousands and thousands of sexist personal attacks from Bernie bros or you are wanting me to show you surrogates using "democratic whore" or bringing up monica lewinsky as a dog whistle?

I find it hard to believe someone that follows politics doesn't know exactly what I am talking about but I guess accepting a strong presence of racism within a movement gives you a pass on sexism?

Quote (stimpy6298 @ Apr 27 2016 05:35pm)

Just like trump said if hillary was a man should would receive zero votes. She keeps playing the woman card and will continue to do it in debates. Trumps not stupid he knows thats going to be one of her main talking points ..blah blah blah womens rights....blah blah blah equal pay....same old song and dance with nothing done.

Quote (Mangix @ Apr 27 2016 05:36pm)

too bad he has a trump card

Quote (ThatAlex @ Apr 27 2016 02:30pm)

Just haven't seen the sexism you are referencing. I've seen some racism, but not sexism. And I self-identify as an equity feminist, so I think I tend to pick up on subtle sexism more than average.

It's not surprising to see a Hillary supporter cry sexism, though. What is ironic is that her campaign has been extremely focused on the fact that she is a woman. Her answer to questions about her financial corruption have been either "9/11" or "I'd be the first female president."

When they asked her how she would differ from Obama, she said, "I'd be the first female president." That's technically true, but it's ultimately playing at the woman card rather than explaining actual differences between her and Obama.

As a feminist, I don't care what gender someone is when it comes to president. I just want the best person for the job. It's insulting to the feminist movement that Hillary has been plugging that she would be the first woman president in almost every rally and tough debate question.

I mean, it's cool she would be the first woman president, but that isn't a reason to vote for her.

You previous complaints of Bernie were somewhat substantive, but I think you should take a different angle other than sexism. Not only is the claim mostly false, but the claim is also about supporters rather than the candidate. Perhaps you didn't know how to respond to my working/middle class criticsms of the political establishment so then thought it was best to go after a criticism of supporters and cry sexism than put forth a substantive response.

Quote (Beowulf @ 27 Apr 2016 17:43)

look here bernie boy

I'm far from a feminist but when thousands and thousands of supporters and multiple surrogates of a man that claim to be for the people start flooding the internet with "whore, cu**,everything in between and start bringing up a woman that her husband banged 20 years ago that is exactly what sexism is.

Being the first woman President has incredible significance and if you think her bringing it up somehow excuses the shitbaggery in your failed revolution then I guess you are as full of shit about being a feminist as you are about being a true progressive

Quote (stimpy6298 @ Apr 27 2016 05:38pm)

I see what you did there :hug:

Can't Stump the Trump...all this talk about how good crooked hillary is at debating trump is going to tear her a vagina