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Mar 25 2016 09:59pm
Quote (TCassa89 @ Mar 25 2016 10:50pm)
Pretty much

Even the richest terrorist organisations have no navy or air force capable of any scale invasion. The only thing they are capable of in Europe and America is street level attacks, which is indeed a serious threat, but should not be blown out of proportion


Creating chaos in Europe is beneficial in a number of ways. It distracts from the Middle East, where the Islamic State wants to consolidate, and it leads to a radicalization of opinion in Europe. Reaching disaffected Muslims (of whom tens of thousands have fought for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria) is a serious goal.

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Mar 25 2016 10:00pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 25 2016 09:59pm)
Creating chaos in Europe is beneficial in a number of ways. It distracts from the Middle East, where the Islamic State wants to consolidate, and it leads to a radicalization of opinion in Europe. Reaching disaffected Muslims (of whom tens of thousands have fought for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria) is a serious goal.


Can you explain the bolded further? I don't see how an ISIS sponsored attack takes the spotlight OFF of ISIS.
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Mar 25 2016 10:01pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 25 2016 11:58pm)
When people argue that ISIS is a serious threat they seem to be doing it from a standpoint that we aren't doing anything to combat them. If we weren't, then I would absolutely agree they are an existential threat. Saudi Arabia is starving them with low oil prices, we bomb them daily, they're constantly cutting money to the men in the field, the whole organization is suffering. They are obviously not a major threat right now because of our efforts. All they are capable of at this time is the occasional attack on the citizenry, which while tragic, is not anywhere near an existential threat to our nations, military, or anything above the citizen level. Funny thing is their threat level should be placed below our global banking system in terms of dollar damage that could be caused....


...as far as I know the global banking system is not actively seeking to purchase fissile material on the black market .
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Mar 25 2016 10:07pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 25 2016 08:53pm)
...obviously your strategy is to withdraw from the world and abandon our treaty obligations . I already explained to you how the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait is the actual cause in the recent and rapid increase of radical Islam but you will continue to ignore facts that don't fit your mindset .


It's not a matter of abandoning our obligations, it is about withdrawing from regime change. It is not our obligation to get involved in regime change to begin with

Certainly our reaction to the invasion of Kuwait was one of the listed reasons Bin Laden gave for declaring war on us, but again the rate of terrorism in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yemen were lower than in Britain before the war on terror began. It was in fact the war on terror itself that created the mess we are in today.. which was a part of Bin Laden's plan to begin with.. for our actions to cause an escalation of conflict and for us to get involved in more and more fighting until we exhaust ourselves economically and collapse (as happened to the Soviets)

Where we are today ISIS has approximately 50,000 fighters worldwide, while the countries surrounding Iraq and Syria alone have around 10 million fighters (not to mention a navy and air force capable of fighting these terrorists). Ultimately these should be the leading nations in the fight, as no individual country can afford the burden of solving instability around the world. No country has ever been able to maintain such a burden, and no country ever will

Priority number 1 should be regaining stability in these countries (Iraq, Syria, Libya) so they can defend themselves again, because they simply cannot rely on other nations to defend them forever

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...as far as I know the global banking system is not actively seeking to purchase fissile material on the black market .


Nope, but nonetheless they are capable of the destruction of trillions in assets and opportunity and have the ability to affect global economics that ISIS only dreams of. ISIS does not have fissile material nor the power to turn it into a nuclear device even if they had it. You're conflating desire with means. Yes, it would be devastating if ISIS acquired a nuke. That being said, Iran has been perpetually 10 years from a nuke for decades and they are worlds ahead of ISIS in their ability to manufacture and deploy one.
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Mar 25 2016 10:52pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 26 2016 12:49am)
Nope, but nonetheless they are capable of the destruction of trillions in assets and opportunity and have the ability to affect global economics that ISIS only dreams of. ISIS does not have fissile material nor the power to turn it into a nuclear device even if they had it. You're conflating desire with means. Yes, it would be devastating if ISIS acquired a nuke. That being said, Iran has been perpetually 10 years from a nuke for decades and they are worlds ahead of ISIS in their ability to manufacture and deploy one.


...put your pocket protector and coke bottle glasses away...a dirty bomb in a populated area is the immediate concern .
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Mar 25 2016 11:11pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 25 2016 11:52pm)
...put your pocket protector and coke bottle glasses away...a dirty bomb in a populated area is the immediate concern .


Fears based on watching 24 are just classic media victim thinking, stop watching your collection of vhs's.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 25 2016 09:49pm)
Nope, but nonetheless they are capable of the destruction of trillions in assets and opportunity and have the ability to affect global economics that ISIS only dreams of. ISIS does not have fissile material nor the power to turn it into a nuclear device even if they had it. You're conflating desire with means. Yes, it would be devastating if ISIS acquired a nuke. That being said, Iran has been perpetually 10 years from a nuke for decades and they are worlds ahead of ISIS in their ability to manufacture and deploy one.


Not to mention in no given example has a terrorist organization successfully delivered a bomb half way around the world into the US. That's why their bombs fail most the time, because they're manufactured by the attackers themselves somewhere in the US, with whatever materials they were able to collect under the radar.
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Mar 26 2016 03:14am
dont even try more imo, he perfectly know this is half of a diversion and it's mostly our (western countries, especially usa) fault, but he will just troll arround and feed his own hate for others religions.

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Mar 26 2016 05:41am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 26 2016 04:52am)
...put your pocket protector and coke bottle glasses away...a dirty bomb in a populated area is the immediate concern .


Implying dirty bombs are dangerous?

Oh and fissile material and waste is already pretty much the most watched and guarded commodity on the planet.

For most of the attacks so far bombs were made using readily available materials (TATP made from Acetone and H2O2, nails, glass, metal) and not military grade materials. Terrorists do not have the chemical expertise nor the facilities to safely guard and manipulate radioactive material until use.

I definitely agree that terrorist attacks are not something we should be afraid of in Europe, but I am a little bit nonetheless. I mean, just yesterday whilst traveling to my parents I had to hop trains in Arnhem and there were quite a few military police armed with MP5's and sniffer dogs. I feel safe knowing that they are there, but less safe because they have to be there in the first place.
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