inb4 the church starts trying to sell 'salvation insurance'

That is a big problem with religion it's become big business, Churches kicking members out who don't meet their financial needs. I quit attending one church when I found out that it sent out quarterly records of the member's tithing. The business aspect of church "the money part" is one of modern religion's downfalls, the other is the pantomime hierarchy. When the church separates the minister/pastor from the congregants with a closed off pulpit area, a dress code with robes and or a collar and suit and tie, The choir with robes and them separated from the congregates as well. This separation feeds new comers misconceptions of the church, people who may be answering a voice could enter a church that is handing out quarterly reports on tithing and have a traditional service with the trappings I listed above, and be scared right back out the door.

That isn't what Christianity is, Believing in God and JC. is a personal thing that doesn't need gaudy trappings and business men managing portfolios. well tl/dr but.. no salvation isn't for sale, that's silly! it's free, it just takes faith.

This post was edited by Valhalls_Sun on Aug 21 2015 05:14pm

Do not worship me, worship God.



2 Samuel 12:23

But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."

David knew that he was gone and he would not return yet he knew that one day he would go to him.

Do you understand the character and attributes of God? We all deserve to die for the wages of sin is death. Yet neither an unborn child or an infant has had the opportunity to willfully sin. We are all subject to judgement because well children bear the sin nature inherited from Adam. God also reveals himself as a God of goodness and mercy, he is gracious in all His works. Is it hard to draw out from this that God's grace also applies the sacrifice of Christ to the death of the infants and unborn? Jesus himself invited the children to come to him as well. Based on all of this, it is very appropriate to conclude that the souls of the children are in the presence of God when their lives are cut short.

So the part where you said about babies going to Hell does not stand. As for the argument about the Israelites laying waste to entire towns, first and foremost it is indeed God who commanded the Israelites to do so. Kill every man, woman and child and even the livestock and leave not a single soul alive. Let's look at the civilization. They were detestable in their actions by worshiping false gods by sacrificing their own children to the gods. They would intermarry their own flesh and blood. They were everything that God hated. God did not want the Israelites to practice in their rituals because the Israelites were to be a holy nation. God ordered their destruction so that the Israelites would not worship false gods and forget the Lord God almighty.
Every single time God would order the Israelites to kill and lay waste, it is because those people were unspeakably evil and would have lead the Israelites astray.

I've decided that you offer a very distorted and un evangelical opinion of what you think God is

so

Goodness and mercy? But he holds infants responsible for the sins of the first man and woman to ever exist? Uhuh...

Why do you play this dumb game?
you know better, you know more about Christianity than this idiot C3PKO guy.

...so what is the actual Catholic teaching on infants who die before baptism - this is from the Catholic Catechism :


" The Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allows us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without baptism. (CCC 1261) "

Catholicism is utterly irrelevant and has been for some time, at least in developed countries.

Never met somebody who said God doesn't have free will. If that's the case he's hardly worthy of worship. He's not making decisions, he's just goin by a set of rules..... almost like the laws of physics.