Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 19 2014 01:55pm)

question  on the bolded  - what of it? payroll taxes that go towards social/medical programs is not theft

also it seems like you're looking down upon those with credits and deductions resulting in refunds on all of the taxes they've paid

Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 19 2014 12:55pm)

question  on the bolded  - what of it? payroll taxes that go towards social/medical programs is not theft

also it seems like you're looking down upon those with credits and deductions resulting in refunds on all of the taxes they've paid

Quote (Tylr @ Sep 19 2014 01:01pm)

Taxation is theft, whether you like where the money is spent afterwards or not.  You can love paying taxes, it does not change that it is theft.

Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 19 2014 02:04pm)

you agreed to be subjected to it when you became part of society =_=

it is no more theft than it is murder if the state chooses to have you killed for killing your wife for cheating on you

also i think we're derailing this thread so if you want to discuss this in another thread i'd be up for that

Quote (Mastersam93 @ 19 Sep 2014 18:05)

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Quote (Santara @ Sep 19 2014 12:32pm)

There's plenty of room for discussion. I have no problem with helping people who need it. I have a problem with setting up massive bureaucracies rife with penchant for abuse and a dearth of oversight. I have no problem with public education. I have a problem with public servants shaking us down for more than they are worth at the point of the government's gun. Education has an enormous upside for virtually everyone, but we are NOT getting what we pay for. Is it somehow unreasonable of me to expect to get what we pay for?



Regardless of what I did with it afterwards, if I stuck a gun in your face and took your money, am I a thief? I'll assume you'd say yes. Now, if I hire somebody to steal from you for me through the power of my vote, how am I not still a thief? You see, with taxation, it should be a burden to all of us (or at the very least, most of us). But that is not the case. Nearly half of us have no (federal) tax burden.

Our country already IS being destroyed by selfishness... the selfishness borne of envy.

Quote (jtf @ Sep 19 2014 03:08pm)

Do you have any sort of evidence for the bolded statement?

Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 19 2014 01:10pm)

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 19 2014 03:40pm)

Gonna have to ask for a bit more, all this shows is that the cost has gone up, but says nothing about the relative benefit.