Quote (Dune1 @ 30 Jun 2014 17:05)
The "we are just humans" is an excuse for not being accountable for one another. You and I are talking about two different things. Being concerned for one's salvation is vastly different than "judging" someone. It's dangerous thinking to allow people to think that just because they are saved, they can act however they want. 2 Tim. tells us that the scriptures are useful for correcting, rebuking, and training in righteousness. As "humans" our job is to point people to the truth. The truth is love, but it is also justice. To only teach them a half truth is the same as lying to them. Galatians 6 tells us to hold each other accountable with our transgressions.. why? If we are saved no matter what, why does accountability, correcting, and rebuking matter?
Let's take the example of homosexuality (since it's a hot topic). If someone begins to follow Christ and years down the road they become a practicing homosexual, are we supposed to just say "well, not my problem!" No! We are supposed to correct their actions and their lifestyle. Why? Because unrepentant sin affects salvation since salvation is conditional on repentance.
Well ofcourse we can be concerned with other(s) salvation, that is called Christian compassion. I am talking about making statements and judging whether or not a Christian is a
Christian.
You messaged me this:
Quote (Dune1 @ 30 Jun 2014 05:34)
As to not debate in the thread, I would like to give you scripture that does not coincide with your belief here -
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=71041432&f=119&p=477118762Hebrews 6:4-6 states:
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4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
I bolded the important parts. Scripture indicates that people "are not saved to begin with" but are in fact saved and choose to walk away from their salvation.
And I mentioned this, we are offered eternal life in heaven when we give our hearts to Jesus. Ofcourse the bible speaks about we will be judged, but that is between God and us. It is objectively true, and human opinion regarding that is irrelevant. That is my point, and why cant we agree on this?
I am in NO way claiming that just because people are saved they can have a "license" to sin. God does not lie, if you are promised eternal heaven, you will get it. Under 1 Condition -> Being saved and repenting. (2 HIGHLY interpretal words). Everything else boils down to judgement day and anything we say as humans are hearsay and fallacious.
For your homosexuality point, sure, maybe a REAL Christian does move to the dark side for a while. That will be between him and God, not our problem.
We should lay out all the scripture in a positive manner and show them the truth. And the truth is: They are truly a CHRISTIAN dependent on their relationship with God, not our opinion.For example:
"It is my firm belief that it is not possible to lose one's salvation."
And:
"It is my firm belief that it is possible to lose one's salvation."
Both are fallacious illogical statements that have no foundation. Why? Because who Judge's us on judgement day? John 10:28 "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand." This verse is DEPENDENT on your relationship God. Something that we as humans (Yes, I keep saying that) have no say in whatsoever. We cannot go in other peoples' minds or souls and see how well they're doing. Sometimes we want to so we can help them though...
This post was edited by HighschoolTurd on Jun 30 2014 10:41pm