all you have is an opinion, its not the average opinion and there isnt enough evidence to convince me that it is a correct or good opinion.

so it appears to me you have a bad opinion.

a poll with your evidence unbiasly presented, would tell you, in my opinion that the average person thinks you have a bad opinion.

this isnt about me, given what you presented i belive you are incorrect, thats how it is. but if that is truly what you belive i support you in that, but it looks to me like you need better evidence, perhaps a poll will inspire that, and help you recognize that need.

I'm concerNed with facts not people's opinions. I don't care if i convince anyone not. If people choose not to accept the facts that is their choice.

If my evidence is so poor what is the flaw in it? Whee is the evidence that contradicts it?

This post was edited by ReturnFormer on Oct 18 2013 11:04am

well if thats what you belive, i hope it takes you where you want to go.

i disagree, thats just my opinion.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Oct 18 2013 11:06am

have you any evidence to base your disagreement on? or is it just "well, thats contrary to my beliefs so i cant accept it, even though theres evidence to back it up. the evidence must be wrong."

the 613 anrt listed in one location like the 10 are.

i also belive that not only did jesus use commandments to refer to just the 10, but also as a way to mock the 613 mosaic laws while provoking the praises, based on the evidence youve provided.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Oct 18 2013 11:12am

what does that have to do with anything?




so he says to follow the pharisees and then mocks them? that doesnt make sense.

it dosnt make sense, like youd pretty much have to show me where god said here are my 613 commandments for me to accept there is a chance that Jesus is talking about the 613 commandments let alone believe thats actually what jesus meant.

he mocked them both times, jesus didnt like the praises.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Oct 18 2013 11:35am

why does it need to be stated explicitly? from the time of moses until now whenever jews have talked about 'commandments' they mean ALL of the commandments found in the five books of moses, not just the ten commandments. this is fact. that you are unfamiliar with this is because you are not jewish and have not studied jewish thought/theology, but that doesnt take away from the fact that it is true.


he mocked their hypocrisy, but he still said to follow their laws.

it just dosnt make sense that jesus would be refering to something as a group of commandments when god never mentions it.

if you have something where god says here are my 613 commandments, bam, i have no problem admitting theres a possiblity you are correct.

but until then, calling them the commandments or any other group of laws is not supported biblicaly, and im sure jesus knew that too, an he didnt support them either as he called out the true commandments while mocking the 613 laws.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Oct 18 2013 11:52am

if i talk about how beneficial glasses are, am i talking about all glasses or just sun glasses? the commandments arent some special thing that needs to be defined. in fact just the opposite, if youre talking about a subset of commandments, ie the ten commandments, THEN you need to define what youre talking about. if you just mention commandments, it only makes sense that youre talking about them all.