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May 15 2011 07:35pm
Quote (Torm1 @ May 14 2011 05:12pm)
The prophecies of Ezekiel and the book of Revelation explain that near the time of the end, Israel will be surrounded by nations/armies...

Then it explains how Israel will be attacked by all these nations, and they won't have a chance at all.

Somehow before all this happens, Syria will be utterly wiped off the map (It will become a ruinous heap.) - This hasn't happened yet, so it is still to be fulfilled very soon.

The bible, being the only accurate prophetic book, with over 5000 specific prophecies fulfilled. (Many of them regarding Jesus) Everything else will be fulfilled to the letter as it has been, and as we are seeing now.

Blessings in the coming times.


The bible is not accurate at all, its 99% second hand bullshit
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May 15 2011 07:39pm
Quote (DrDrugs @ May 15 2011 07:35pm)
The bible is not accurate at all, its 99% second hand bullshit


Theres a difference between "Second hand" and "Purple Monkey Dishwasher"
Understatement =/
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May 15 2011 07:44pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 15 2011 01:41pm)
Exactly what I've been saying. More specifically, the british took away everyones guns before the mandate, and the israelis both got weapons purchased through the west proxies smuggled through czech to get around the embargos, as well as fundraising efforts by sympathizers who bought hundreds of millions of dollars of arms overseas
But israelis can't tell you that nowadays, because they write their own history books to paint every conflict in their own light.


Quote (Goomshill @ May 15 2011 04:49am)
Oh, and how did you win in 1948, let me guess, by just doing a bunch of Deir Yassin's?
Israel's "wars" were just proxies fought by the west. You pride yourself on winning shit that was decided between the west and the USSR

Oh, and to shatter you delusions- every war israel fought was with american weapons, american supplies, american agendas. Israel on its own would have vanished overnight


????

Quote (Goomshill @ May 14 2011 08:23pm)
do you support them killing kids and putting people in what are basically concentration camps?
do you support them gunning down peace activists on boats, or rolling over american girls in armored bulldozers

very christian values, for jews


This is a concentration camp.

http://www.qualityinformationpublishers.com/naziconcentrationcamppictures.aspx

This is not.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/09/content10630875.htm

Quote (Goomshill @ May 15 2011 02:04pm)
You pretend to live in fear of a "rocket barrage" when you're more likely to die to a "coca cola barrage"
You use that to justify a genocide and concentration camps in the gaza strip.

And you have the nads to compare it to the blitz. You know, the blitz, where London gets carpet bombed and later railed down by V2s, and tens of thousands of people die and the city is reduced to rubble?

What a fantastic reimagining of history you zionists have.


Most residential homes in Israel have some type of bomb shelter to avoid such attacks, but no its cool just hand wave and use fallacious arguments to strengthen your position. The fact that Hamas and other palestinians are unable to harm Israelis by more effective means does not give them moral leverage. An inferior military =/ moral superiority.

This post was edited by JBoney on May 15 2011 08:04pm
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May 15 2011 08:15pm
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Most residential homes in Israel have some type of bomb shelter to avoid such attacks, but no its cool just hand wave and use fallacious arguments to strengthen your position.  The fact that Hamas and other palestinians are unable to harm Israelis by more effective means does not give them moral leverage.  An inferior military =/ moral superiority.


Haha zionism.
Like I said, more people killed by vending machines than qassam rockets, yet you use it to justify a policy that kills more palestians, what, every week, every day? Than israelis that have been killed by rocket attacks
How many protesters were shot today? How many israelis died to rockets?

Moral superiority is not the phrase here. Moral obligation, is.

Its a conflict where both sides are equally fucked in the head, but one side is inflicting utterly disproportional massacres and atrocities upon the other.
It is the moral obligation of the side which holds the power to be the force towards peace and reason- something israel is not.

Power -> Responsibility. Its a pretty damn simple message.
Its a one sided conflict, and only the zionist media and spin doctors and liars who slant the news to make themselves the victims think otherwise. The rest of us aren't fooled- the zionists only delude themselves.
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May 15 2011 08:17pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 15 2011 08:31pm)
Take a little harder look at that map, you ignoramus.
Notice that country called "Lebanon"?

Gee whiz, did it ever occur to you that lebanon has katyushas and hamas has qassams?

You're trying to talk about tinker toys and high tech equipment like they're the same thing. You're clueless.



Rofl, qassams are not katyushas. They're not even god damn russian you idiot. You don't even understand the etymology of the word itself, much less the terminology.
Are you so totally clueless? You don't understand the terms, you screwed up, and instead of admitting your mistake you try to skew and lie to pretend you were right, even when its painfully obvious.

I can help spell out the differences to you in terms children could understand, if that helps;
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/q0279.shtml

If you still can't grasp that the Qassam and Katyusha are two completely disparate types of rockets, I pity you.

Hell, read the wikipedia page, even that will enlighten you;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam%5Frocket

Qassam are a very specific type of rocket used in a very specific type of role- homemade rockets fired from the gaza strip into israel. There is no other kind of qassam. They are not synonymous with katyushas. Katyushas are a truckmounted artillery war vehicle made from specific military designs of multiple types. Qassams are ad hoc and only refer to those used by the palestinians. This is all basics, basics. Anyone who has been alive for the past 10 years and hasn't had their fingers in their ears humming loud as they can should know the difference, its been plastered over every source of news there is. Yet somehow, despite all that, you fail me



Haha, you silly damn americans. Everyone who isn't on your side is a terrorist, are they?
If you massacre people and someone complains, they're either a terrorist or a communist, right?
Well fuck you, how about that? My family has done more for generations to fight tyranny and terrorism and genocide then you could really imagine.
You think people just rolled over when twats like Mccarthy called people anti-american communists, too?
Its the same shit, different phrasing.



Oh, they sure have, and theres a thousand ways they could deal with it, and they have a knack for choosing most of the worst.



Haha, you couldn't be more wrong, ignorant american with your prolific cheeseburger knowledge.
Seems like thats the only thing you're good for.

I'm not from europe and you don't have the foggiest clue who I am or where I'm from, and I revel in that. You can waggle your flag all day long, all it shows is your ignorance of contemporary geopolitics.
You don't know the basics of distinction between conflicts, you don't know one state from the other (you still haven't grasped the lebanon =/= palestine thing),

I bet you're one of those koolaid drinkers that voted for bush and thought iraq had WMD's and that the taliban and al-qaeda are the same thing and don't know what "sunnis" and "shiites" are, haha.

You seem so skilled on explaining to me the differences of American and European Mcdonalds with their Royales and Quarter Pounders and Big Macs, please, enlighten me more. Its about the only things you've said so far that are sane.
Do all americans share such an expertise in the culinary arts? Rahahahahaha.




Its still so incomprehensible to your pinsized harebrain that anyone could oppose israel and not be antisemitic, that anyone could be against israel but not be for arabs (or as you would put it, a terrorist sympathizer, bwahaha), that anyone could not vote for george w. bush.
Your world view just doesn't accommodate the complexity of the modern world. You are the people responsible for Sarah Palin, for thinking russia is visible on the horizon from anchorage and can't name a single magazine.
Gods on your side, I'm sure of it.


I don't think I can put it any more succinctly, and if you can't get your feeble mind wrapped around it, it's just not worth any more time: The term Katyusha encompasses multiple variants of the same general weapon, and Qassam falls into that category, and a Katyusha rocket is not a high-tech piece of equipment. It has NO guidance. We're not talking about a "fire and forget missile," we're talking about un-aimed rockets more akin to "fire and hope." Regardless, in a 2006 offensive, rockets killed 53 people and injured more than 2000, HARDLY analogous to your stupid vending machine meme.

MANY Katyusha's aren't Russian, hence the use of the generic term Katyusha for rockets of multiple different manufactures. I simply AM NOT trying to imply that Palestinians are well armed with Soviet era rockets, but I am definitely pointing out to your cro magnon (lack of) intellect that Qassams are Katyushas, just of less reliable manufacture. It doesn't have to be of Russian manufacture to be termed a Katyusha. From your aerospaceweb link:

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The weapons Hezbollah uses most frequently are collectively referred to as Katyusha (pronounced car-too-zuh) rockets. However, the Katyusha was actually one specific type of rocket used during World War II though the term has since become synonoymous with a wide variety of different rocket types.


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Though technocally not Katyushas, newer rockets have continued to be referred to by this name.


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Iran, in particular, began building its own copies of the Soviet Katyusha as well as improved models and supplied many thousands of these to terrorist groups for attacks against Israel. Once manufactured in Iran, the rockets were transported through Syria to militants in Lebanon.


A Qassam is a sub-variant of what is generally understood (unless we're talking about you-probably a self-loathing American based on your use of "our military") of a Katyusha. It's like the difference between genus and species.

A rocket simply does not have to be truck-mounted, Soviet manufactured equipment to be known as a Katyusha.

Feel free to dig up an internet geography test, and we can both take it, and we'll see who knows what the fuck is where, and who's entitled to call the other ignorant.

I didn't call you a terrorist, I called you a terrorist apologist. Note the difference.





Lastly, do you spend all of your time building straw men to knock down?
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May 15 2011 08:46pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 15 2011 09:15pm)
Haha zionism.
Like I said, more people killed by vending machines than qassam rockets, yet you use it to justify a policy that kills more palestians, what, every week, every day? Than israelis that have been killed by rocket attacks
How many protesters were shot today? How many israelis died to rockets?

Moral superiority is not the phrase here. Moral obligation, is.

Its a conflict where both sides are equally fucked in the head, but one side is inflicting utterly disproportional massacres and atrocities upon the other.
It is the moral obligation of the side which holds the power to be the force towards peace and reason- something israel is not.

Power -> Responsibility. Its a pretty damn simple message.
Its a one sided conflict, and only the zionist media and spin doctors and liars who slant the news to make themselves the victims think otherwise. The rest of us aren't fooled- the zionists only delude themselves.


haha moronism.

I didn't use anything to support anything one way or the other, don't put words in my mouth. I simply stated a fact and that the argument you were trying to make was ridiculous since one side takes measures to protect itself.

Moral obligation, definitely agree the Palestinians have a moral obligation to make sure they don't fire rockets at their neighbors. Glad we agree here.

Like I said military inferiority =/ moral superiority. Additionally I've posted numerous times about how Israel is one of the, if not the most effective military when it comes to limiting civilian deaths. Look up death tolls from other skirmishes over the years compared to this conflict though and you'll see. Whereas Israel seeks to limit those deaths, Hamas and others indiscriminately target Israeli civilians.

Peace and reason? There have been plenty of chances for peace and each time guess which party walked away from the table saying no.

To the last comment I'll just refer you back to my post #73. You're out of your depth even for the limited knowledge that most display on this board and that's saying something.
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May 15 2011 09:11pm
Most effective military in limiting civilian deaths?
What flavor zionist IDF koolaid is that? You make me chuckle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilabun_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safsaf_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_al-Zeitun_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balad_al-Shaykh_Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War

hell I could go on for days with this shit



Did you ever consider that besides the whole "massacring tens of thousands of men women and children (raping many of the women apparently too)", the basic tenet of oh, you know, stealing their land and bulldozing their houses and living on the, might be a cause for "civilian casualties"? The problem of "israel" and "civilian casualties" is an existential one.
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May 15 2011 09:12pm
Quote (DrDrugs @ May 15 2011 06:35pm)
The bible is not accurate at all, its 99% second hand bullshit


All of the prophecies have come to pass accurately to the specifics and to the letter 100% of the time. All of the prophecies regarding Jesus Christ came to pass exactly as they were supposed to. And all of the future prophecies regarding the end times will come to pass to the letter.

The final pre-requisites for the return of Christ were fulfilled when Israel became a nation in 1948 & the Jews went from all the world back into their homeland. Within 1 person's lifetime from that date, the end will come.

This means that there is nothing else that has to happen before Christ returns, meaning He could be here at any moment now. Those who believe in the rapture (A secret coming) where all the Christians will be taken up to heaven, are getting prepared, because they believe it will be very soon now.

This post was edited by Torm1 on May 15 2011 09:12pm
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May 15 2011 09:14pm
Quote (Torm1 @ May 15 2011 09:12pm)
All of the prophecies have come to pass accurately to the specifics and to the letter 100% of the time. All of the prophecies regarding Jesus Christ came to pass exactly as they were supposed to. And all of the future prophecies regarding the end times will come to pass to the letter


How many of those were self fulfilling prophecies, how many were written after it happened, and how many are just plain garbage?
Whoops, ruined your religion, my bad.


Suppose when the 21st comes and passes, you can switch over to the FSM religion, which is far more sensible at least since its removed from that whole "murdering, warring, raping, pedophiliac, immoral" aspect of christianity.

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May 15 2011 09:16pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 15 2011 08:14pm)
How many of those were self fulfilling prophecies, how many were written after it happened, and how many are just plain garbage?
Whoops, ruined your religion, my bad.


Suppose when the 21st comes and passes, you can switch over to the FSM religion, which is far more sensible at least since its removed from that whole "murdering, warring, raping, pedophiliac, immoral" aspect of christianity.


Most of them were written 1000+ years before the birth of Jesus, and it just so happened that Jesus fulfilled them all to the letter without actually being able to plan any of it out.

Look at the fulfilled prophecies of Isaiah for example, which were fulfilled in the birth, crucifixion, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Oh, for the record, I'm not a May 21st'er.

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