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Jan 8 2026 12:56pm
Uh, as far as I know Reddit is the most popular forum on the internet and its not particularly close, not d2jsp so this take is quite retarded since whenever I go on Reddit despite not being part of any left-wing subreddits and only lifting, finance and game reddits I still get flooded with clearly left-wing posts. Not sure what gasoline you are sniffing friend.


Not even close - X is by far the most popular and it's not particularly close. Reddit is absolutely laughable - a freakshow den of transgender autogynephiles - the fact that you openly admit using Reddit discredits absolutely everything you have to say. Take your hormones boy you'll become a woman soon!
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Jan 8 2026 12:59pm
remember saul alinsky criminals dont have rules. they only intend to hold you to your rules. while they writhe in pain for the car woman they leapt with joy over the brutal murder of charlie kirk.
they do this with a clear conscience because they "never break any rules". therefore they have no sin?
then viewing themselves as the greatest level of morality they allow them selves to do anything.

it doesn't escape my notice. it seems to be the opposite of what a christins believes about themselves?


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Jan 8 2026 01:01pm


And that's not just a legal standard, its a moral and logical one. This woman woke up and chose to stalk and harass ICE agents. She chose to obstruct and impede them, even though it was clearly criminal. And she chose to flee officers, and disregarded the safety of everyone around her. Maybe she chose to try to run down the officer and her lack of traction saved his life, maybe she chose to disregard his safety and was trying to turn past him and just clipped him. We live in a world of actions and consequences, she had already made her intentional choices at every step leading up to that moment and she caused the situation. It simply doesn't matter whether she was trying to flee or run someone down at that point, a reasonable person seeing a vehicle aimed at them and spinning its tires as a lunatic ignores police orders has every reason to open fire and neutralize the threat, and her consequences were no longer a judgment of the courts but of a bullet


Except the vehicle wasn’t aimed at them. I think it’s fair to question the ladies decisions and how she handled herself in that moment and the lead up. But the entire premise of your argument boils down to the idea that the ice officer had a vehicle bearing down on them about to run them over. It was undeniably adjacent to them. But not actually aimed at them.
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Jan 8 2026 01:02pm
Don't get me wrong its a far cry from domestic terrorism in the sense of someone planning an attack, building bombs, writing manifestos, etc.
But she's still manifesting the criminal intent, taking the criminal action, being the cause of the proximate harm, being the aggressor, disregarding the safety of others and acting maliciously and recklessly.

Justifiable self defense doesn't require that the other person be a firebreathing dragon from legend, some monster out to grind your bones to make your bread. As long as the circumstances would put a reasonable person in fear for their life, lethal force can be justified to stop the attacker. In some cases that has been tragic comedies of errors where two well-intentioned people wound up shooting at each other when both have fear. In some cases, one person is a clear aggressor like a bank robber, but is still culpable under transferred intent for deaths or injuries that result from other people trying to stop them, like a cop shooting at them and missing and hitting a bystander.

And that's not just a legal standard, its a moral and logical one. This woman woke up and chose to stalk and harass ICE agents. She chose to obstruct and impede them, even though it was clearly criminal. And she chose to flee officers, and disregarded the safety of everyone around her. Maybe she chose to try to run down the officer and her lack of traction saved his life, maybe she chose to disregard his safety and was trying to turn past him and just clipped him. We live in a world of actions and consequences, she had already made her intentional choices at every step leading up to that moment and she caused the situation. It simply doesn't matter whether she was trying to flee or run someone down at that point, a reasonable person seeing a vehicle aimed at them and spinning its tires as a lunatic ignores police orders has every reason to open fire and neutralize the threat, and her consequences were no longer a judgment of the courts but of a bullet


the gap between moral and legal justifications for police actions is entirely the fault of police unions.

if a cop screws up in a clear way the shows they shouldnt be employed, but they cant be held liable criminally, the union will throw an absolute fit if they're fired.

this ice agent should be fired, but not prosecuted. but it wont happen. neither will. so anti-ICE gets a Mike Brown level martyr. and trump is unable to capitulate, so he'll try and make the agent a hero to combat the martyrdom. and it will now lead to more copycat style behavior, because loonies realize that blocking cops in might draw a nationwide news story. these are the same type people willing to throw rocks at ICE cars or sit down in traffic in protest. ICE didnt send a message, they cut a head off the hydra.
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Jan 8 2026 01:02pm
remember saul alinsky criminals dont have rules. they only intend to hold you to your rules. while they writhe in pain for the car woman they leapt with joy over the brutal murder of charlie kirk.
they do this with a clear conscience because they "never break any rules". therefore they have no sin?
then viewing themselves as the greatest level of morality they allow them selves to do anything.

it doesn't escape my notice. it seems to be the opposite of what a christins believes about themselves?


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Jan 8 2026 01:07pm
Except the vehicle wasn’t aimed at them. I think it’s fair to question the ladies decisions and how she handled herself in that moment and the lead up. But the entire premise of your argument boils down to the idea that the ice officer had a vehicle bearing down on them about to run them over. It was undeniably adjacent to them. But not actually aimed at them.


The vehicle was aimed at the officer with wheels pointed forwards, not turned. She switched from reverse to drive and hit the gas. That is the moment the officer reacted and drew his gun, when he perceived a deadly threat. Her tires spun with no traction and she failed to lunge forwards because of it, and then started her right turn and clipped him. Everything that happened after the moment he drew his firearm is monday morning quarterbacking. He isn't a minority report precog. He cant know if she'll turn or not, or if she'll spin out. He saw her put it in drive and gas it forwards straight at him.

So again no it wasn't adjacent to him, it was pointed at him. Theres a fairly straight line perpendicular with the length of the car, from the driver to the officer. He was right in front of her face

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Jan 8 2026 01:16pm
Demon possessed


maybe thats what ai psychosis really is?

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Jan 8 2026 01:35pm
Keep up with the FAFO. It's getting interesting. All the rage bating babies, keep it up. People are getting tired of it.

And to those defending the "FA". Don't. Don't break the law, don't test it. At this point, ya'll are literally dumb and must be trolling.

To those that think instigating is cool, have it done to you. Ya'll are fakers and have no idea what real life is.
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Jan 8 2026 01:35pm
The vehicle was aimed at the officer with wheels pointed forwards, not turned. She switched from reverse to drive and hit the gas. That is the moment the officer reacted and drew his gun, when he perceived a deadly threat. Her tires spun with no traction and she failed to lunge forwards because of it, and then started her right turn and clipped him. Everything that happened after the moment he drew his firearm is monday morning quarterbacking. He isn't a minority report precog. He cant know if she'll turn or not, or if she'll spin out. He saw her put it in drive and gas it forwards straight at him.

So again no it wasn't adjacent to him, it was pointed at him. Theres a fairly straight line perpendicular with the length of the car, from the driver to the officer. He was right in front of her face


I think it’s fair to not want to be that close to a car driving. I wouldn’t be comfortable with that. But he shoots her as the driver side door is level with the officer. IE the wheels had already passed, but yes it happened quickly.

You can argue whether that level of discomfort of a car driving directly beside you in the moment qualifies for the self defense argument when shooting/killing someone. Thats a different argument though. And that nuance is real and important.

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Jan 8 2026 01:41pm
Not even close - X is by far the most popular and it's not particularly close. Reddit is absolutely laughable - a freakshow den of transgender autogynephiles - the fact that you openly admit using Reddit discredits absolutely everything you have to say. Take your hormones boy you'll become a woman soon!


Can't say I notice too many transgenders on the camping gear subreddit but you know I don't really look into such things as much as someone like yourself.

Point being if you're obsessed with something and decide you want to go looking you can probably find it anywhere. Or alternatively you can use that thing for its purpose which there's lots of decent purposeful subreddits.

This post was edited by SBD on Jan 8 2026 01:47pm
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