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Apr 26 2025 08:45pm
i dont disagree that his lack of 4a in this case was problematic. i just dont think this nonsense saying there's ZERO evidence is at all helpful. its misleading. if he was given a case he likely would have been deported anyways, that doesnt excuse his lack of due process, its just context.

like lets not take "judge refused to revisit his gang status" lightly. judges review evidence from previous cases, its not a simple hand waving. see below, the judge again allowed garcia to present evidence he wasnt in ms13, and reviews the testimony that he was implicated under. garcia presented character witnesses, and a lack of criminal record. and was shot down because this isnt strong evidence. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.11.2_3.pdf

in any case his alleged gang member status played into his lack of deportation order, the context for that order is no null and void. Barrios 18 ran amok in El Salvidor at the time of the stay of deportation, they have presence but no longer run the country. if it was unsafe to deport him for fear of targeting, whether he's in a gang or not, he can now be deported because they dont run the streets anymore. once he leaves a plane in el salvidor and is on their soil its not the business of the USA to dictate where he goes. whether its in a gang prison, sent to his family, or shot on the spot. we put him on a plane if he can be deported then wash out hands. if he was no from el salvidor then thats a problem, i detest 3rd nation deportations and consider them a violation of cruel and unusual punishment.

Source: https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

at the time of contact group members caught stashing pot under a car, Kilmar had 1,178$ cash on him. this isnt a crime (the cash) nor is he directly implicated in the pot in the report's narrative section. he's just there with 3 confirmed ms13 members hanging out in a known ms13 symbol shirt and had, with an alleged ms13 tattoo on his hands, from the country ms13 originated in, and has been targetted by ms13's rival gang. oh and was confirmed by a gang informant to be in ms13. zero evidence tho..... /s


His hand tattoo had zero relation to ms13, it is a crazy reach to try to pretend it does, his other tats are an autism ribbon and the word family.
Caught smoking weed with other el savadorans does not make him a gang member.
Wtf member of the most violent street gang in america has a clean criminal record and autism awareness tattoos?
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Apr 26 2025 09:15pm
His hand tattoo had zero relation to ms13, it is a crazy reach to try to pretend it does, his other tats are an autism ribbon and the word family.
Caught smoking weed with other el savadorans does not make him a gang member.
Wtf member of the most violent street gang in america has a clean criminal record and autism awareness tattoos?


His hand tattoo is a clear code of MS13 and makes no sense as any other context. He was arrested once wearing MS13 colors while hanging out with MS13 members with drugs and cash and identified as an MS13 new recruit by a CI, then again he was detained blatantly human trafficking people from the border. Between his illegal entry, his MS13 arrests and MS13 tattoo, there is no reason to doubt his MS13 identification in an immigration court, which requires a far lower standard than criminal or civil courts. As long as the US can establish he is an illegal alien, he is subject to deportation. His identification as MS13 is just reason to prioritize him. As penis_hat correctly pointed out, even if were returned tomorrow and the US facilitated it as ordered by the court, he would simply be detained pending another deportation hearing. Where his withholding order would be rescinded because gang violence no longer exists in El Salvador, mooting the premise. And then he'd be deported. To El Salvador. Where he'd be imprisoned once again, as an MS13 member, which is how they ended gang violence.

Democrats choose the worst people to champion like Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin and Saint Floyd, but this guy has to be the worst choice yet. An actual MS13 gang member
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His hand tattoo is a clear code of MS13 and makes no sense as any other context. He was arrested once wearing MS13 colors while hanging out with MS13 members with drugs and cash and identified as an MS13 new recruit by a CI, then again he was detained blatantly human trafficking people from the border. Between his illegal entry, his MS13 arrests and MS13 tattoo, there is no reason to doubt his MS13 identification in an immigration court, which requires a far lower standard than criminal or civil courts. As long as the US can establish he is an illegal alien, he is subject to deportation. His identification as MS13 is just reason to prioritize him. As penis_hat correctly pointed out, even if were returned tomorrow and the US facilitated it as ordered by the court, he would simply be detained pending another deportation hearing. Where his withholding order would be rescinded because gang violence no longer exists in El Salvador, mooting the premise. And then he'd be deported. To El Salvador. Where he'd be imprisoned once again, as an MS13 member, which is how they ended gang violence.

Democrats choose the worst people to champion like Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin and Saint Floyd, but this guy has to be the worst choice yet. An actual MS13 gang member

How do the cross and skull translate to 13?

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How do the cross and skull translate to 13?


Criminal tattoos are often coded to represent abbreviations, numbers and letters of the alphabet. Particularly for members in the US who want to avoid explicit gang affiliation that would hold up in a US court, whereas members in other countries might have more explicit tattoos. The aryan brotherhood for example often uses a shamrock shape with the number 12, because 12 -> AB, the Aryan Brotherhood abbreviation. Or simply having symbols that stand in for letters or numbers by looking like them.

His knuckles have a marijuana leaf, a smiley face with Xs for eyes, a christian cross with a very short horizontal stroke and a skull.
The marijuana leaf stands for M, as the spanish word is also Marijuana
The smiley face stands for S, as the spanish word for smile is Sonrisa
The cross is simply a 1, because that's what it looks like, made more purposeful by the shorter horizontal line to resemble a 1
The skull is a 3, both because the spanish word is Calavera/Craneo, C = 3, as well as made more purposeful because the skull tattoo resembles a 3, you can trace a 3 in the top, nose and bottom lines.

The guy was caught with known MS13 members with drugs and cash while wearing MS13 clothing, identified as MS13 by an informant, and caught human trafficking people from the border in a vehicle owned by another convicted MS13 human trafficker. The idea that his knuckle tattoos would somehow just coincidentally form the letters MS in abbreviated pictographs and numbers 13 in appearance, is not remotely believable. Its like claiming the Azov battalion guys just have buddhist peace and bavarian eagle tattoos.
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Apr 27 2025 06:27am
People still defending this criminal?

Yikes, just close this thread already.
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Apr 27 2025 07:46am
People still defending this criminal?

Yikes, just close this thread already.


One of the easiest ways for me to know where i should stand politically is to view where the opposing sides decide to make a stand. I mean this is such a clear cut case, yet the left is doubling down.

How far we've moved as a society where an illegal immigrant that's an obvious MS13 member being deported is where they decide to make the stand. What happened to common sense here? Don't democrats realize that this is actually the losing position politically? Same shit with supporting rioting, destruction of property, burning Tesla's, etc.

Trump won because a bunch of normal people regardless of race or class see some of these positions and are baffled and just said Trump may not be ideal but some of these rallying cries are absolutely insane.
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Apr 27 2025 09:29am
One of the easiest ways for me to know where i should stand politically is to view where the opposing sides decide to make a stand. I mean this is such a clear cut case, yet the left is doubling down.

How far we've moved as a society where an illegal immigrant that's an obvious MS13 member being deported is where they decide to make the stand. What happened to common sense here? Don't democrats realize that this is actually the losing position politically? Same shit with supporting rioting, destruction of property, burning Tesla's, etc.

Trump won because a bunch of normal people regardless of race or class see some of these positions and are baffled and just said Trump may not be ideal but some of these rallying cries are absolutely insane.


That’s kind of how I view it. People voted Trump as the best alternative. US elections have been that way for a century pretty much.

This post was edited by MadMan87 on Apr 27 2025 09:33am
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Apr 27 2025 11:37am
One of the easiest ways for me to know where i should stand politically is to view where the opposing sides decide to make a stand. I mean this is such a clear cut case, yet the left is doubling down.

How far we've moved as a society where an illegal immigrant that's an obvious MS13 member being deported is where they decide to make the stand. What happened to common sense here? Don't democrats realize that this is actually the losing position politically? Same shit with supporting rioting, destruction of property, burning Tesla's, etc.

Trump won because a bunch of normal people regardless of race or class see some of these positions and are baffled and just said Trump may not be ideal but some of these rallying cries are absolutely insane.


Having civil opposing viewpoints/discussions are imo and essential thing needed for society, but not for the purpose that is in effect in today's world. We live in a disgusting world.

And yes, seeing a defense this particular case is jist plain insanity.
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Apr 27 2025 01:37pm
One of the easiest ways for me to know where i should stand politically is to view where the opposing sides decide to make a stand. I mean this is such a clear cut case, yet the left is doubling down.

How far we've moved as a society where an illegal immigrant that's an obvious MS13 member being deported is where they decide to make the stand. What happened to common sense here? Don't democrats realize that this is actually the losing position politically? Same shit with supporting rioting, destruction of property, burning Tesla's, etc.

Trump won because a bunch of normal people regardless of race or class see some of these positions and are baffled and just said Trump may not be ideal but some of these rallying cries are absolutely insane.


It's funny but sad at the same time. The dude comes to the US illegally, but then people demand he gets due process before the law? Also, he's a citizen of El Salvador currently in El Salvador...

Imagine if some random ES senator visited a US prison where a US citizen was being held and demanded that the US citizen be released to ES.

Not to mention the constant gaslighting about "Maryland man" cause they can't call him a US citizen but don't want to admit he came here illegally.

This is the type of shit that lost them the election. Sure, msm may fool some at home who don't watch any other news... but anyone with half a brain can see what they are doing.
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Apr 28 2025 06:07am
His hand tattoo had zero relation to ms13, it is a crazy reach to try to pretend it does, his other tats are an autism ribbon and the word family.
Caught smoking weed with other el savadorans does not make him a gang member.
Wtf member of the most violent street gang in america has a clean criminal record and autism awareness tattoos?


zero relation for anyone who doesnt speak spanish. you just responded to a lot of evidence in a pretty sadly vague manner, wonder why?
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