Quote (dro94 @ Aug 9 2024 10:18am)

Some of the sentence lengths seem harsh. 2 years for pushing a wheelie bin at the police while falling flat on your face - really?

I think we're coming to the end of the riots now as sentencing gets amplified by the government and media as a deterrent. Naturally, when this is all over they'll say we've locked up the far right thugs, now everything is back to normal, instead of addressing the underlying causes.

Hopefully the next leader of the Conservatives is a hardliner that advocates leaving the ECHR which will pressure Labour to do more.

The home office should be going into every turkish barber, nail salon, and car wash. We know exactly where the 1.2m illegal immigrants are, and if it means I have to pay a bit more for a fresh trim I'm still down with that.

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"We will throw the full force of the law at people. And whether you’re in this country committing crimes on the streets or committing crimes from further afield online, we will come after you," Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley told Sky News.
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A Sky News reporter asked Commissioner Rowley to further explain his warning, arguing that high profile figures have been "whipping up the hatred," and that "the likes of Elon Musk" have been getting involved. She then asked what the police force’s plan will be "when it comes to dealing with people who are whipping up this kind of behavior from behind the keyboard who may be in a different country?"

Rowley answered by telling the reporter, "Being a keyboard warrior does not make you safe from the law."

"You can be guilty of offenses of incitement, of stirring up racial hatred, there are numerous terrorist offenses regarding the publishing of material," he said. "All of those offenses are in play if people are provoking hatred and violence on the streets, and we will come after those individuals just as we will physically confront on the streets the thugs and the yobs who are taking — who are causing the problems for communities."

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 10 2024 05:34am)

https://www.foxnews.com/media/uk-police-commissioner-threatens-extradite-jail-us-citizens-over-social-media-posts-we-come-afte
https://news.sky.com/story/met-police-chief-sir-mark-rowley-says-two-tier-policing-claims-complete-nonsense-and-putting-officers-at-risk-13192393

What should the Biden administration's response be to the UK's threat to bring terrorism charges against American citizens for their social media and demand their extradition?



For example, if my posts about Two-Tier Kier run afoul of British definitions of terrorism and provoking violence by having too much to think, and the British crown issues a condemnation of me in absentia and demands my surrender and plans to send redcoats to the shores of new york and connecticut to bring the colonies to heel, will Joe Biden turn coat and fly a union jack, or stand with our rebel flag?

Elon Musk better be careful about travel upon the high seas, any craft starting with "HMS" could keelhaul him by maritime law. Who knows they might start gang pressing Americans back into service until we drop our 1st amendment.

Quote (dro94 @ 10 Aug 2024 11:26)

Let me explain how the law works: inciting racial hatred and/or violence is a criminal offence in the UK and many countries. For example, if you post 'I don't like black people', that is not a criminal offence, but if you post 'take to the streets and attack every black person you see', that is a criminal offence.

It's very difficult to prosecute people for this when they post an incitement to racial hatred or violence from outside the country, that is why terrorism charges are being floated as a way to expand their jurisdiction.

The main driver for this was iniially Tommy Robinson, not Musk. He posted that the Southport attacker was a Syrian refugee among other things, and he did it from a five star hotel in Cyprus.

Clearly, the UK government would never be stupid enough to extradite someone like Elon Musk, despite him saying that a civil war was inevitable, which I believe was a clear overstep. In the government's eyes, threatening this kind of thing is likely more useful as a way to silence Musk. I don't think it will work though - he has the cash and connections to get out of anything.

Quote (dro94 @ Aug 10 2024 05:26am)

Let me explain how the law works: inciting racial hatred and/or violence is a criminal offence in the UK and many countries. For example, if you post 'I don't like black people', that is not a criminal offence, but if you post 'take to the streets and attack every black person you see', that is a criminal offence.

It's very difficult to prosecute people for this when they post an incitement to racial hatred or violence from outside the country, that is why terrorism charges are being floated as a way to expand their jurisdiction.

The main driver for this was iniially Tommy Robinson, not Musk. He posted that the Southport attacker was a Syrian refugee among other things, and he did it from a five star hotel in Cyprus.

Clearly, the UK government would never be stupid enough to extradite someone like Elon Musk, despite him saying that a civil war was inevitable, which I believe was a clear overstep. In the government's eyes, threatening this kind of thing is likely more useful as a way to silence Musk. I don't think it will work though - he has the cash and connections to get out of anything.

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 10 2024 12:34am)

https://www.foxnews.com/media/uk-police-commissioner-threatens-extradite-jail-us-citizens-over-social-media-posts-we-come-afte
https://news.sky.com/story/met-police-chief-sir-mark-rowley-says-two-tier-policing-claims-complete-nonsense-and-putting-officers-at-risk-13192393

What should the Biden administration's response be to the UK's threat to bring terrorism charges against American citizens for their social media and demand their extradition?



For example, if my posts about Two-Tier Kier run afoul of British definitions of terrorism and provoking violence by having too much to think, and the British crown issues a condemnation of me in absentia and demands my surrender and plans to send redcoats to the shores of new york and connecticut to bring the colonies to heel, will Joe Biden turn coat and fly a union jack, or stand with our rebel flag?

Elon Musk better be careful about travel upon the high seas, any craft starting with "HMS" could keelhaul him by maritime law. Who knows they might start gang pressing Americans back into service until we drop our 1st amendment.

Quote (dro94 @ Aug 10 2024 04:26am)

Let me explain how the law works: inciting racial hatred and/or violence is a criminal offence in the UK and many countries. For example, if you post 'I don't like black people', that is not a criminal offence, but if you post 'take to the streets and attack every black person you see', that is a criminal offence.

It's very difficult to prosecute people for this when they post an incitement to racial hatred or violence from outside the country, that is why terrorism charges are being floated as a way to expand their jurisdiction.

The main driver for this was iniially Tommy Robinson, not Musk. He posted that the Southport attacker was a Syrian refugee among other things, and he did it from a five star hotel in Cyprus.

Clearly, the UK government would never be stupid enough to extradite someone like Elon Musk, despite him saying that a civil war was inevitable, which I believe was a clear overstep. In the government's eyes, threatening this kind of thing is likely more useful as a way to silence Musk. I don't think it will work though - he has the cash and connections to get out of anything.

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 10 2024 11:55am)

Let me explain how US British relations work when the king tries to seize our citizens on charges of publishing radical pamphlets and treatises. We stand behins our cotton bales and don't say a thing and we hold our fire till we see their faces well and open up the squirrel guns and givem hell

Quote (zorzin @ Aug 10 2024 10:41am)

I don't think Joe Biden even knows where he is.
My money is still on the average American gun-owner being able to defend himself against British SAS, equipped with assault-spoons and tactical diversity training.

I can't wait to see how this plays out. A foreign entity threatening Americans over their right to free speech was not on my bingo card for August.

Quote (iLoveMyUsername @ Aug 10 2024 01:13pm)

People think it's a conspiracy that all our rights will be gone soon. The only country armed to the teeth is America and most citizens are complacent. If they tell you all to give away your guns peacefully for the better of America , y'all will do it . The reality is nobody will ever fight back and we'll end up at the bottom of the food chain. Just look how you guys treated the 6th Jan people . That's y'all faith for even wanting changes. Y'all be seen as domestic terr.. because the news media make it so.

Just look how many people got vaccinated for a flu and accepted 2 years lockdowns which was a huge wealth transfer to the rich. The amount of store owned by citizens that closed because of it and the expansion of Amazon, Walmart and other corporations.

These last 2 generations will be the cause of humanity downfall. As i said multiple time, they don't make men and women like they used to. Nowadays men rather play dress up and be dominated by the system.

ps: this post is not for inciting an uprising. it's something i've noticed.