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Jun 11 2023 06:57pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 11 2023 07:40pm)
What's great about the cult is that even after Trump is recorded on tape admitting he has documents that are still classified, and that as an ex-president he has no declassification power, they still run with his defense from months ago.


It never gets old being told I'm an NPC just to get linked an article they didn't read about case law that doesn't apply because they were told by OAN that it exonnerates Trump.

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What's great about the cult is that even after Trump is recorded on tape admitting he has documents that are still classified, and that as an ex-president he has no declassification power, they still run with his defense from months ago.


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Trump in public: I DECLASSIFIED THEM

DOJ: Okay, so we'll just use the part of the law that isn't dependent on classification status :huh:
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Jun 11 2023 07:15pm
It'll be cool if he gets thrown in jail and it causes a civil war

Can we make fg bets on the outcome if it happens?
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Jun 11 2023 07:24pm
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It'll be cool if he gets thrown in jail and it causes a civil war

Can we make fg bets on the outcome if it happens?


Considering the military would be against him it wouldn't even be a civil war. Just some rednecks against the United States military.

Civil wars don't just happen. You gotta peel off some portion of the existing government to support it and Trump has never been able to do that.

At best you get the MTG types who the currently republican party would be happy to remove as she's more trouble than she's worth.
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Jun 11 2023 07:26pm
An important point is that now we get to see what the evidence was that predicated piercing attorney-client privilege with Corcoran and how much of a stretch it is. That Trump made a supposed 'hand motion' in one instance and while ranting opined about how Hillary's lawyers had said they deleted her emails. And asking his lawyer what his options are and whether he can say they don't have any documents. The kind of extreme inference and logical jumps, without any proof, that is required to turn that into a crime-fraud exception was of course enough for the Obama-picked DC judge the Democrats have used in all the January 6th trials and Muellerburger, but now its going to be in front of a Trump-picked Florida judge who has previously ruled against overreaching motions by prosecutors in this same case.

Aileen Cannon now has the power to overturn the DC and DC appeals district decisions which would be appealed to the 11th circuit. You can see how liberal outlets like the daily beast are already laying it out like its some grand conspiracy;
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-ploy-to-stop-feds-from-using-trumps-lawyer-against-him

Attorney client privilege is supposed to be hard to breach and for good reason. The idea that an accused can lose his privilege for merely discussing his legal options and asking what would be legal and illegal to his lawyer- the very point of having a lawyer- basically strips away the whole 6th amendment right to counsel. If they actually had evidence of Trump directly telling Corcoran to do something illegal we'd have seen it now the indictment is unsealed. But instead we got "he made a plucking hand motion", when discussing files without any further context or discussion. Lmao. Whats next, he made the okay hand symbol so we know he was telling his lawyers to lynch Obama?

There's no telling for sure how Cannon will rule on this issue, but it will be brought up by Trump's (new) legal team, so we'll have to wait and see






Also this could lead to not just nuking the Corcoran testimony and notes but also jeopardizing the entire trial from pre-trial publicity, since the media is blaring details of the case that could be excluded.

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Jun 11 2023 07:31pm
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Trump in public: I DECLASSIFIED THEM

DOJ: Okay, so we'll just use the part of the law that isn't dependent on classification status :huh:


I haven't read the thread, but I suppose an argument from the smarter cultists is that that particular law is unconstitutional? If the president wants to declassify information, a statute that renders such information illegal for non-presidents to have after declassification could be unconstitutional?

Trump of course never declassified any of these documents, so it doesn't matter, but worth pondering I suppose.

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Considering the military would be against him it wouldn't even be a civil war. Just some rednecks against the United States military.

Civil wars don't just happen. You gotta peel off some portion of the existing government to support it and Trump has never been able to do that.

At best you get the MTG types who the currently republican party would be happy to remove as she's more trouble than she's worth.


Lmao man you are truly delusional but at least it is funny
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Jun 11 2023 07:37pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jun 11 2023 09:15pm)
It'll be cool if he gets thrown in jail and it causes a civil war

Can we make fg bets on the outcome if it happens?


Increased political violence is very possible but I don't even see how a civil war would work. Many states are made up of a lot of Democrats and a lot of Republicans. What would the uniforms be?

A Civil War is an idea that deranged right-wingers fantasize over because they want to kill their fellow Americans. Democrats don't. So in reality it'll be more attacks from right-wing nutters on government buildings or Democratic groups.

The outcome is similar to January 6th. The people who do violence go to jail, and the politicians who enabled it continue to hold power, and Democrats do better electorally because most Americans aren't nutters.
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