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Feb 15 2018 10:44pm
Quote (fender @ 15 Feb 2018 23:47)

nearly 5 am local time in dresden - fender aka heinrich still up raging and ranting, crying like a loser and worrying about President Trump. no worry about work tomorrow or ever for the lowlife leech known as fender aka heinrich von goebbels, descendant of joseph
Quote (djman72 @ 15 Feb 2018 18:30)
:rofl:

Get an original thought, guy. This is just sad.

..................BUT BUT BUTTTTT TRUMP DID IT!

what do you expect from an election-denying useless racist lefty freak who still calls himself tommy :rofl:

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good that trump shot down this trojan horse of a bill.

it did not include a paradigm shift from the current family-based immigration system to a skill-based system, it did not include the removal of the abomination that is the diversity visa lottery, and as far as I can tell, it did not restrict the dreamers from sponsoring their siblings, thus pushing the doors wide open for further chain immigration from latin america. moreover, it did not set the border security funding in stone - a 60 senator majority could rescind it at any time. thus, this bill would give the pro-immigration side everything upfront, while the points for the anti-immigration side could later be taken back as soon as the democrats obtain a suopermajority in the senate.

trump offering 1.8 million dreamers not just a permanent stay, but also a path to citizenship, is already very generous and really pushing the boundaries of where he can go without losing his base or breaking his campaign promise of being tough on immigration. the democrats and pro-mass-immigration republicans like jeff flake would be well-advised to accept trumps offered compromise.

take it or leave it. if democrats and weak-on-immigration republicans dont accept trumps compromise, they are actively putting the dreamers in limbo in favor of future non-skill-based immigration. trump will have a much easier time explaining this outcome to his supporters than democrats and the jeff flakes will have with their respective base.

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good that trump shot down this trojan horse of a bill.

it did not include a paradigm shift from the current family-based immigration system to a skill-based system, it did not include the removal of the abomination that is the diversity visa lottery, and as far as I can tell, it did not restrict the dreamers from sponsoring their siblings, thus pushing the doors wide open for further chain immigration from latin america. moreover, it did not set the border security funding in stone - a 60 senator majority could rescind it at any time. thus, this bill would give the pro-immigration side everything upfront, while the points for the anti-immigration side could later be taken back as soon as the democrats obtain a suopermajority in the senate.

trump offering 1.8 million dreamers not just a permanent stay, but also a path to citizenship, is already very generous and really pushing the boundaries of where he can go without losing his base or breaking his campaign promise of being tough on immigration. the democrats and pro-mass-immigration republicans like jeff flake would be well-advised to accept trumps offered compromise.

take it or leave it. if democrats and weak-on-immigration republicans dont accept trumps compromise, they are actively putting the dreamers in limbo in favor of future non-skill-based immigration. trump will have a much easier time explaining this outcome to his supporters than democrats and the jeff flakes will have with their respective base.


this

that deal is already more generous than it could be and its still not enough for these migration maniacs

democrats still dont get it :lol:
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Quote (ampoo @ 16 Feb 2018 12:22)
this

that deal is already more generous than it could be and its still not enough for these migration maniacs

democrats still dont get it :lol:


I'm more shocked by the fact that one fourth to one third of the republican senators are actively trying to preserve the family-based immigration system instead of working with trump on a shift towards a skill- and demand-based system.
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Feb 16 2018 06:44am
Quote (ampoo @ Feb 16 2018 06:22am)
this

that deal is already more generous than it could be and its still not enough for these migration maniacs

democrats still dont get it :lol:


We don't get it? If the Democrats keep doing what they're doing president Trump will be a one-term lame duck president. He is at least wasting his supermajority like President Obama did during his first term. When you fags get in NK'd in the midterms don't bitch about not being able to do anything then either.


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I'm more shocked by the fact that one fourth to one third of the republican senators are actively trying to preserve the family-based immigration system instead of working with trump on a shift towards a skill- and demand-based system.


Unwashed masses yearning to be free for sure.

Its like you guys aren't Americans and don't understand our freedom.

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We don't get it? If the Democrats keep doing what they're doing president Trump will be a one-term lame duck president. He is at least wasting his supermajority like President Obama did during his first term. When you fags get in NK'd in the midterms don't bitch about not being able to do anything then either.


trumps approval ratings have climbed substantially in recent weeks.
trump and the republicans dont have a supermajority, they are still bottlenecked by the senate filibuster which requires 60 votes to be broken. by contrast, obama during his first two years did indeed have a supermajority.
the GOP is creeping back on the generic ballot in recent weeks. the generic ballot is now standing at around +7% for the democrats - due to gerrymandering and the inherent geographical disadvantage of the democratic coalition, experts estimate that they need to win by around 7% to break even in the house. thus, at this moment, the house race is completely open.

in the end, I personally believe that it wont be enough to be anti-trump for the democrats to take back the house or oust trump in 2020. they need to develop their own agenda, and it needs to be capable of winning a majority. the 2016 race proved that playing the feminism and minority card like crazy while offering nothing to average working-class citizens is not enough.


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Unwashed masses yearning to be free for sure.


very different times.
during the 19th century, there were no social security, no food stamps and no entitlements whatsoever. and there was a big demand for unskilled labor.
therefore, even unwashed masses could be useful back then. nowadays, it's a completely different story.

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very different times.
during the 19th century, there were no social security, no food stamps and no entitlements whatsoever. and there was a big demand for unskilled labor.
therefore, even unwashed masses could be useful back then. nowadays, it's a completely different story.


Liberty, available only to those who Xist thinks are 'useful'.
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Liberty, available only to those who Xist thinks are 'useful'.


lol, liberty is a broad concept and for sure not limited to the right to enter an arbitrary foreign country.

if everyone in the U.S. is free, then the U.S. do have "liberty" on their soil.
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Feb 16 2018 08:15am
"Americans are dreamers, too"

Good stuff right there.
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Feb 16 2018 08:17am
Quote (Skinned @ 16 Feb 2018 08:44)
We don't get it? If the Democrats keep doing what they're doing president Trump will be a one-term lame duck president. He is at least wasting his supermajoritylike President Obama did during his first term. When you fags get in NK'd in the midterms don't bitch about not being able to do anything then either.




Unwashed masses yearning to be free for sure.

Its like you guys aren't Americans and don't understand our freedom.

which supermajority is that
also reported, btw, for using slurs
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