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Oct 13 2023 06:49pm
Quote (iBruno @ Oct 13 2023 05:32pm)
The land was owned and controlled by the British empire. Also the jews originated in that land as far back as befire the Roman days, and were once the legitimate owners of the land, but displaced by the Roman empire. So like, how far do we go back with "this land belonged to XYZ civilization so lets give it back".

Do we stop at Israel? Should we give Europe and south america to the descendants of the people who were there before? Lets just dissolve all the worlds current countries and figure out where is the "cut-off" in history that decides who gets to own the land.

This is kind of a tricky subject i think.


If we go by what the Torah says, the Jewish people got some help from god and the Canaanites were destroyed. Anyone with a brain realizes the Jews probably murdered those people because there is no god.
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Oct 13 2023 06:50pm
Quote (AleKsRoBerto @ Oct 13 2023 09:49pm)
If we go by what the Torah says, the Jewish people got some help from god and the Canaanites were destroyed. Anyone with a brain realizes the Jews probably murdered those people because there is no god.


If there is no God who put Jesus on that toast?
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Oct 13 2023 06:50pm
So I can't possibly predict the immediate timeline and events but does anyone disagree with my long term (1+ year out) assessment of "Gaza will remain, but will be surrounded by DMZ"

The fact Israel is focusing on the north strip really makes me wonder if I was spot on. They'd need to annex some of the north/east strip to make a wider buffer with Sderot, and wouldn't need the most densely populated parts of Gaza to do that since its mostly fields. If they spent a few months occupying the edges, tore down the wall and rebuild it along a new line to give Sderot a mile or two distance, they could then install minefields and fortifications. Without that, well you can evacuate some of the moshavs and kibbutz close to gaza, like netiv haasara only had a population of 900 (minus the few dozen just murdered in this attack). But they aren't uprooting a major metro area
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Oct 13 2023 06:54pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 14 Oct 2023 02:40)
Probably as a result of the unprecedented brutality we seen last Saturday. Murdering babies? We in the west have this mindset that punishments have to be proportional and it's rule of nature by which everything has to adhere to. Not really how it works though, particularly with a victim that lost someone. Like I try to put myself in the shoes of a parent that lost their kid to these attacks. I wouldn't care about precedent, I would want my pound of flesh, even more. Situation where I lost my kid, and I was told some of these men are responsible, in the immediate of the trauma i'd put a bullet in everyone of their head.


how can you type that and not realise that's the situation of basically every single person living in gaza?! how do you not know that it's basically impossible to find a single palestinian who hasn't lost friends or family members to the israeli occupation? how can you empathise with the very understandable reaction to such an injustice, but exclusively apply that to just one side?

is that some kind of elaborate troll i don't get, or are you genuinely that oblivious to your ridiculous double standards?!

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Oct 13 2023 06:57pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 14 Oct 2023 08:50)
So I can't possibly predict the immediate timeline and events but does anyone disagree with my long term (1+ year out) assessment of "Gaza will remain, but will be surrounded by DMZ"

The fact Israel is focusing on the north strip really makes me wonder if I was spot on. They'd need to annex some of the north/east strip to make a wider buffer with Sderot, and wouldn't need the most densely populated parts of Gaza to do that since its mostly fields. If they spent a few months occupying the edges, tore down the wall and rebuild it along a new line to give Sderot a mile or two distance, they could then install minefields and fortifications. Without that, well you can evacuate some of the moshavs and kibbutz close to gaza, like netiv haasara only had a population of 900 (minus the few dozen just murdered in this attack). But they aren't uprooting a major metro area


Minefields is a no no. If DMZ is to be established, you will need a coalition of forces from UN to keep Peace like North South Korea. If the West with US leading are the ones that are keeping peace the Islamic World will not accept it.
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Oct 13 2023 07:01pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 13 2023 07:33pm)
Void....I m taking an Amoral approach to this.

1. Two carrier groups, move one further north to Lebanon.

2. Open 3 to 4 corridors down South closer to Egypt. Children age 13 and below and women to leave and prepare humanitarian aid to them and get countries to put them up temporarily if possible. A burden that has to be shared with UN involved.

3. Lay Siege. Open tightly guarded channels East of Gaza, for men to surrender. And sieve them out bit by bit. Going to take a while since there will be close to 1M population, men of fighting age 18 to 55 will be around max 500K conservatively speaking.

4. Holding facilities for thorough investigation into perpetrators and Hamas extremists.

Just my thoughts.

A lot of work, but don't need to bomb too much.


I mean to void’s point

The problem with this is the UN is worthless

And Egypt is worthless.

And every other Arab country in the region is worthless.

Nobody actually wants peace because an unstable Israel /Palestine takes direct pressure off these further distanced Arab countries.

You have a population 2 million population, 50% child, starving, thirsty and there is not a country in the world wiling to help

Like the obvious answer is is have the UN lead by US and Saudi lead humanitarian relief and encourage countries to start taking the women and children but this isn’t realistic tbh.
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Oct 13 2023 07:03pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 13 2023 08:50pm)
So I can't possibly predict the immediate timeline and events but does anyone disagree with my long term (1+ year out) assessment of "Gaza will remain, but will be surrounded by DMZ"

The fact Israel is focusing on the north strip really makes me wonder if I was spot on. They'd need to annex some of the north/east strip to make a wider buffer with Sderot, and wouldn't need the most densely populated parts of Gaza to do that since its mostly fields. If they spent a few months occupying the edges, tore down the wall and rebuild it along a new line to give Sderot a mile or two distance, they could then install minefields and fortifications. Without that, well you can evacuate some of the moshavs and kibbutz close to gaza, like netiv haasara only had a population of 900 (minus the few dozen just murdered in this attack). But they aren't uprooting a major metro area


Giving it the bubble boy treatment still doesn't solve for Hamas though, and based on what they are saying they are looking to completely dismantle them, with only real way is going in with boots on the ground.

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Oct 13 2023 07:03pm
Quote (Bazi @ 14 Oct 2023 09:01)
I mean to void’s point

The problem with this is the UN is worthless

And Egypt is worthless.

And every other Arab country in the region is worthless.

Nobody actually wants peace because an unstable Israel /Palestine takes direct pressure off these further distanced Arab countries.

You have a population 2 million population, 50% child, starving, thirsty and there is not a country in the world wiling to help

Like the obvious answer is is have the UN lead by US and Saudi lead humanitarian relief and encourage countries to start taking the women and children but this isn’t realistic tbh.


There is one. But USA have to take lead in this. It will be a very uneasy and difficult decision.

But if USA decides to do it, it will solve things really fucking quick. But it will be a somewhat painful decision, but it will pretty much put the world at peace for the next 20 or so years.
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Oct 13 2023 07:08pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 13 2023 07:50pm)
So I can't possibly predict the immediate timeline and events but does anyone disagree with my long term (1+ year out) assessment of "Gaza will remain, but will be surrounded by DMZ"

The fact Israel is focusing on the north strip really makes me wonder if I was spot on. They'd need to annex some of the north/east strip to make a wider buffer with Sderot, and wouldn't need the most densely populated parts of Gaza to do that since its mostly fields. If they spent a few months occupying the edges, tore down the wall and rebuild it along a new line to give Sderot a mile or two distance, they could then install minefields and fortifications. Without that, well you can evacuate some of the moshavs and kibbutz close to gaza, like netiv haasara only had a population of 900 (minus the few dozen just murdered in this attack). But they aren't uprooting a major metro area


Oh boy this would be so uneasy

I think snipa summed it up nicely. When the time comes,
Bomb it to hell and don’t resettle it allowing Israel to keep high ground
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Oct 13 2023 07:09pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 13 2023 08:03pm)
There is one. But USA have to take lead in this. It will be a very uneasy and difficult decision.

But if USA decides to do it, it will solve things really fucking quick. But it will be a somewhat painful decision, but it will pretty much put the world at peace for the next 20 or so years.


Internal US Politics will ensure this will never happen. It can’t/won’t be US alone needs to be a coalition

This post was edited by Bazi on Oct 13 2023 07:09pm
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