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Jan 24 2018 12:11pm
Quote (Scaly @ Jan 24 2018 12:34pm)
Further worth noting on the story of the guy who stormed the Iranian embassy and the former SAS chap -
Nejad spent 28 years in jail for his part in the incident. He's served his time and can't be sent to Iran because he would be killed. We don't execute people here in the UK and I support that and applaud our government for sticking to our society's moral imperatives even when it's uncomfortable.
Bob Curry is in an unfortunate position because his business collapsed. Sucks for him. Totally irrelevant.


That doesn't seem as outrageous as the tweet implied
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Jan 24 2018 12:39pm
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I guess this one is up for reposting too then.

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Jan 24 2018 04:43pm
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let veterans rot in the streets while the state finances the life of terrorist scum, but hey, at least you got the moral high ground


Nobody is 'letting veterans rot in the streets'. He is getting the exact same assistance as everyone else gets. He has means of getting by and his family has taken him in so he is lower priority than someone who is sleeping on a park bench. It might take a while for him to get a council house but he'll get one within a few months.

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I think i found it


I'm a hardcore, regressive-left SJW for being against executing criminals?

...or just because I'm not a skinheaded, bootboy Trump voter with a hardon for pepe memes and a penchant for getting hysterical over brown people being allowed within 10 miles of my doorstep?

Shit goes both ways. I'm pretty moderate on most things tbh and the things I'm extreme on are not things typically associated with liberalism but rather fascism.
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Jan 24 2018 04:59pm
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Nobody is 'letting veterans rot in the streets'. He is getting the exact same assistance as everyone else gets. He has means of getting by and his family has taken him in so he is lower priority than someone who is sleeping on a park bench. It might take a while for him to get a council house but he'll get one within a few months.



I'm a hardcore, regressive-left SJW for being against executing criminals?

...or just because I'm not a skinheaded, bootboy Trump voter with a hardon for pepe memes and a penchant for getting hysterical over brown people being allowed within 10 miles of my doorstep?

Shit goes both ways. I'm pretty moderate on most things tbh and the things I'm extreme on are not things typically associated with liberalism but rather fascism.


Its because you vet war criminals into your country because he served time in jail, literally he dindu nuffin tier
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Jan 24 2018 05:11pm
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Nobody is 'letting veterans rot in the streets'. He is getting the exact same assistance as everyone else gets. He has means of getting by and his family has taken him in so he is lower priority than someone who is sleeping on a park bench. It might take a while for him to get a council house but he'll get one within a few months.



serving your country to end up sleeping on your daughters couch....the dream

a guy like that should be top priority and he can call himself lucky that he had a place to go to after all
a man without family would truly sleep under the bridge by now

societies that let this happen are truly finished, one way or the other
just wait for it
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Jan 24 2018 11:50pm
Quote (ampoo @ 25 Jan 2018 00:11)
serving your country to end up sleeping on your daughters couch....the dream

a guy like that should be top priority and he can call himself lucky that he had a place to go to after all
a man without family would truly sleep under the bridge by now

societies that let this happen are truly finished, one way or the other
just wait for it


indeed.

I really dont see why a terrorist should be eligible for council homes at all, and particularly not while there are still any law-abiding citizens on the waiting list.
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Jan 25 2018 04:33am
Quote (tonerbond @ 24 Jan 2018 22:59)
Its because you vet war criminals into your country because he served time in jail, literally he dindu nuffin tier


I can tell you're just reeing over a guy with a brown sounding name without even looking at the story.

He served his time here in the UK. The crime was committed here in the UK. That crime was committed against Iranian nationals in the Iranian Embassy - he is not some foaming at the mouth jihadist who wants to bomb UK citizens (as far as his actions and professed ideology show us anyway) but was a member of an Arab nationalist group who were seeking independence from Iran back in the 80s when this crime was committed. He also was not 'let into the country' recently. He has been imprisoned here since Thatcher's time.

So yea - he did some bad shit but there's no reason to believe he poses a continued threat to UK nationals as the group he was a member of, which doesn't exist anymore, was fighting against the Iranian state which is entirely different from what it was then.

Quote (ampoo @ 24 Jan 2018 23:11)
serving your country to end up sleeping on your daughters couch....the dream

a guy like that should be top priority and he can call himself lucky that he had a place to go to after all
a man without family would truly sleep under the bridge by now

societies that let this happen are truly finished, one way or the other
just wait for it


Veterans get shitloads of immediate support after retirement. This chap has been running a business for over the last decade with no issues. I'm not sure if the government owes this chap any more than he is getting but he's not being treated comparitively poorly. He's getting what any other citizen gets. Does more need to be done to combat homelessness in the UK? Fuck yes. But homelessness in the US is much worse and there is much less support so if we are 'truly finished' then why do you still exist?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 25 Jan 2018 05:50)
indeed.

I really dont see why a terrorist should be eligible for council homes at all, and particularly not while there are still any law-abiding citizens on the waiting list.


Here in the UK we attempt to house our criminals as part of rehabilitation after jail time. They are generally housed in BnBs or hostels while they are on the waiting list for a council house. None of us knows how long this guy waited for a house.
If we just chucked people out of prison and onto the street with no resources then they would be much more likely to reoffend and much harder to monitor. System isn't perfect but it's not half as stupid as what you're proposing.

This isn't a case of both of them on the waiting list at the same time and the ex-con being chosen of the ex-army guy. They don't even live in the same area and so different councils would be dealing with them anyway. But the ex-con was released on parole in '05. If we left criminals on the street for 13 years after their release with no support then we'd basically be guaranteeing they reoffend out of necessity... even if it's only shoplifting to get food.


If all this makes me a 'regressive left, muslim loving SJW' in your eyes then y'all need to take a fucking minute to think about the kind of hysterical reactions you have to stories like this. All I'm doing is looking rationally at the case and pointing out that it is much more complicated and much different than two lines in a tweet from an idiot like Piers Morgan make it look. Is it an ideal situation? No. But is it the collapse of western civilisation through the collective offering up of UK buttholes to get fucked by ISIS loving jihadis? Not even fucking close. It's not even related to modern day wahabbist terrorism in any way shape or form.
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Jan 25 2018 04:55am
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ahahaha finally some real fun
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Jan 25 2018 05:10am
Finally - A statement from Bob Curry's local council indicates he has not provided the documentation needed to register for council housing AND has turned down two placements already -

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"Herefordshire Council can confirm that it is actively working with this individual to secure accommodation within the county.
"Unfortunately, to date the individual has not provided all the documentation needed to legally register for housing.
"However, regardless of this, the council’s housing team has found and offered two different forms of accommodation, in areas which were agreeable to the individual, but which have subsequently been turned down.
"We are continuing to work with the individual to help them secure appropriate housing."


He is being treated far better than the average homeless citizen in fact. When you're homeless and ask for assistance you don't get it unless you provide what they ask for and I can tell you from personal experience that if you turn down accommodation you rarely get offered further before your turn on the council register comes up. He's being difficult and refusing the help that he has been offered. So fuck him tbh. He's getting way more assistance than I got when I was left homeless at 16 after leaving the children's home. He's basically choosing to be homeless.

This post was edited by Scaly on Jan 25 2018 05:12am
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