Quote (ampoo @ Aug 30 2018 03:42pm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT9MGtCG-Acfishermen at war in the channel :lol:
thats the fate of all high profile people that dare to criticise the religion of peace
are you really trying to pin this on wilders? i hope you realise that you have provided proof why islam is to be completely rejected by a liberal society
I'm pinning the provocation on Wilders, that shouldn't be that surprising. The situation Wilders lives in, is proof of too much radicalization at this time. There is even more proof: a wave of terrorism. Admitting that isn't difficult, but that's not the whole story:
Wilders' predecessor was more eloquent and intelligent, he addressed the blind spot of our integration on a level we don't see today. Today's rhetoric is just polarization and putting groups against each other, making you post the way you do. His predecessor (Pim Fortuyn), got killed by a left wing extremist.
That part is not pinned on Pim kicking against the ideals the killer had held sacred, but because the killer resorted to violence. It's not something only liberal societies try to root out specifically, every society does it.
I'll tell you something though and nuance is more than you'd like ^ : Ppl faithful to the Islam are not always used to get some criticism here and there. Wilders is so extreme, (like Pim was for the left wing extremist from his perspective) that in a way they like to root that out from our society. Add that to a high dose of tribalism within religions and a minority always somewhat getting the short straws in society and you have a good potential breeding ground for ppl taking it too far. We should be wary of that risk, yet not avoid the discussion and be brave like Charly Hebdo, Pim and Geert Wilders. Discussions are needed for integration. But for those to start, you sometimes need a Pim, or perhaps even a Wilders, to come to a productive common ground eventually. When the polarization will end, we can conclude that increased efforts on both sides are needed to reach a mutual goal -> our peaceful society.
This post was edited by Knoppie on Aug 30 2018 04:35pm