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#1681
Mar 20 2016 07:58pm
Quote (bogie160 @ 20 Mar 2016 19:08)
Being in a bad situation is going to leave you predisposed towards religious belief; prison is clearly a bad situation. You've got your cause and effect all mixed up.

And of course you're saying that. You can't say that you're not arguing for correlation and then implicitly claim the two are related.

Why do young white men commit the large majority of mass shootings? What's driving the increasing polarization of modern political processes? Is the world getting more or less free over time?

The vacuum religion has left behind has been filled by a whole host of pseudo-religious ideological identities.

Conservatism without religion is Donald Trump, it's angrier and more violent than it was before. The Left believes that deviating from ever more stringent notions of "correctness" is heresy. To say that you're not complicit in the oppression of an ever-expanding number of identity groups is to identity yourself as a bigot, and as we all know, the only way to deal with a bigot is with violence.


Yes, I can. Look at what my point is.

My point is that I don't think religious people are necessarily more violent or more likely to be a criminal (it is a fact but there are many confounding variables within that fact), but rather that there isn't much evidence to suggest that secularists or an atheistic society would lead to us a path of hedonism. Of course, if you define hedonism as being okay with homosexuality and etc, I could understand that.

But as far as theft, violent crime, etc? Atheists tend to do less of these things than Christians.

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Christians are more likely to be criminals than atheists are, it's that simple. This is not an argument against Christian belief, nor is it suggesting a causal relationship between Christian belief and criminal behavior; it's merely a fact.


Yes.

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Mar 20 2016 08:25pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Mar 20 2016 07:54pm)
Christians are more likely to be criminals than atheists are, it's that simple. This is not an argument against Christian belief, nor is it suggesting a causal relationship between Christian belief and criminal behavior; it's merely a fact.


If the implication weren't some sort of causal link you wouldn't mention it. Stop with the B-tier rhetorical games.

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Mar 20 2016 08:27pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Mar 20 2016 07:54pm)
Christians are more likely to be criminals than atheists are, it's that simple. This is not an argument against Christian belief, nor is it suggesting a causal relationship between Christian belief and criminal behavior; it's merely a fact.


presidents are also more likely to be christians
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#1684
Mar 20 2016 08:49pm
Quote (dude_927 @ Mar 20 2016 10:27pm)
presidents are also more likely to be christians


Cool.

Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 20 2016 10:25pm)
If the implication weren't some sort of causal link you wouldn't mention it. Stop with the B-tier rhetorical games.


Well I mentioned it and explicitly stated I wasn't implying a casual link, so you're wrong. Don't try to assume my intentions, especially when I've repeatedly made myself known as someone who deeply respects religion. Pathetic.

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Mar 20 2016 08:52pm
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presidents are also more likely to be christians


Depends... I think that the majority of recent presidents could be described as agnostic or even atheist. They just would never admit it in such an ideologically infantile country or they would never have been presidents.

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#1686
Mar 20 2016 08:57pm
...let's see if everyone but me missed the obvious .

It has been stated that Christians are more likely to be criminals that atheists...now watch what I do here .

...over 80% of black Americans identify as Christian .
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Mar 20 2016 09:04pm
Quote (dude_927 @ Mar 20 2016 06:59pm)
yes, plenty of atheists believe plenty of dumb things, plenty of theists do the same. (like "people that do not beleive in my god must hate him" perhaps?)


People like Bill Maher were clearly diddled by priests and beaten by crazy religious grandma when they were children. I didn't say all atheists.

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 20 2016 09:57pm)
...let's see if everyone but me missed the obvious .

It has been stated that Christians are more likely to be criminals that atheists...now watch what I do here .

...over 80% of black Americans identify as Christian .




Quote (Scaly @ Mar 20 2016 09:52pm)
Depends... I think that the majority of recent presidents could be described as agnostic or even atheist. They just would never admit it in such an ideologically infantile country or they would never have been presidents.


What evidence do you have?

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Mar 20 2016 09:11pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 20 2016 08:57pm)
...let's see if everyone but me missed the obvious .

It has been stated that Christians are more likely to be criminals that atheists...now watch what I do here .

...over 80% of black Americans identify as Christian .


It follows trends in poverty as well
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Mar 20 2016 09:18pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 20 Mar 2016 21:57)
...let's see if everyone but me missed the obvious .

It has been stated that Christians are more likely to be criminals that atheists...now watch what I do here .

...over 80% of black Americans identify as Christian .


Yep. Blacks, on average, are two things that make them more likely to be Christian or religious:

1) Poor

2) Poorly educated

Both of these factors (wealth and education) are ALSO tied together with incarceration rate.
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#1690
Mar 20 2016 09:21pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Mar 20 2016 11:18pm)
Yep. Blacks, on average, are two things that make them more likely to be Christian or religious:

1) Poor

2) Poorly educated

Both of these factors (wealth and education) are ALSO tied together with incarceration rate.


...good grief , you really need some history classes . Black Americans are Christian by tradition going all the way back to slavery .
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