This level of retribution is unprecedented and even Israel recognizes the difficulty of the task, hence their extensions on certain timelines. Surely there is a balance between "Doing nothing, or giving too much time for Hamas to prepare" v. 24 hours.

Unfortunately, the directive is met with challenges via Hamas, who is reportedly doing more than just encouraging people to not evacuate, but are actively blocking people from leaving. Is it shitty that Israel is up against a terrorist organization that is willing to utilize human shields for the purposes of generating new/renewed hatred towards Israel/Jews? Absolutely. The fight is not fair, but I think it would behoove Israel to take that into consideration that this evacuation has complicating factors. I did see a news article that 70+ people died in a convoy that was attempting to follow Israel's directive. I find that very troubling.

Israel will never give up any lands

So basically Jews are saying, "this is where our ancestors used to live. We are moving back in, whether you like it or not". This is just asking for conflicts to happen, especially considering that the area is heavily populated by people who already don't like them that much.

So what do you think Jews should do?

I responded to the question "what should they do" not what they are going to do.

I mean I can't really disagree with anything you said but I think logistically speaking this would be a very long road ahead. The vetting of hundreds of thousand of men would be next to impossible, not sure how that happens.



Probably as a result of the unprecedented brutality we seen last Saturday. Murdering babies? We in the west have this mindset that punishments have to be proportional and it's rule of nature by which everything has to adhere to. Not really how it works though, particularly with a victim that lost someone. Like I try to put myself in the shoes of a parent that lost their kid to these attacks. I wouldn't care about precedent, I would want my pound of flesh, even more. Situation where I lost my kid, and I was told some of these men are responsible, in the immediate of the trauma i'd put a bullet in everyone of their head.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 13 2023 06:41pm

Very unpopular opinion...

Ask bibi to drop a call to Winnie the Pooh and ask how.

It took 3 to 4 years.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Oct 13 2023 06:44pm

Two things:

1. I say "unprecedented" in a literal sense, not a moral sense. The scale of this is unlike anything we've seen in decades as far as I'm aware.

2. The trauma and pain that people feel needs to be addressed in a healthy way should there be a desire for any semblance of peace or two-state existence. Short of that, bloodlust will only generate more bloodlust.

could you at least TRY to use some nuance for once, especially after issuing a challenge like that?! of course there is no "surgical way", of course the reality of it is that innocent people will suffer and die, but there is a whole lot in between "doing nothing" and just indiscriminately bombing and starving a population of millions, half of which are children.

what is "unfair" about asking one of the best equipped military forces and one of the most competent intelligence service in the world to figure out a way to prevent civilian casualties? i thought israel was the "civilised" side?

it's rich that you want to talk about "fairness" after decades of brutal occupation and oppression, when one side receives billions in military funding each year and the other side doesn't even have sufficient clean drinking water or freedom of movement, when one side has been imprisoned and killed by a rate of over 20 to one while the other side prints tourism brochures praising the beauty of the land they occupy. where is the "fairness" in that?!

would it be easy? certainly not. would it at least signal to the rest of the world and the palestinian people that israel is not just replying to terrorism with internationally funded, greater terrorism? would it save the lives of countless innocent people on both sides long-term? absolutely.

This post was edited by fender on Oct 13 2023 06:58pm

Its basically, the jews are already there now, been there for over 70 years at this point. So saying give the land back because the other society was there at a point in time, just falls into every society was basically taken over by another during the history of our species.

To move forward the only solution is having the land of Palestine, ruled by some western power such as the UN, for a long period of time until they can relocate the innocent back and maintain order in the society while its new generation grows for next 10-20 years.

Or maybe have another big and legit Middle Eastern arab society (not iran kekw) take over with the joined assisted of UN because it needs to be able to surveillance the society while the next generation is raised.

This post was edited by iBruno on Oct 13 2023 06:47pm

You talk as if Israel is completely blameless when it comes to the creation of terrorists. They forced themselves on another people. And now the chicken has come home to roost.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Oct 13 2023 06:50pm