i also laugh at the "HRC is a flip flopper opportunist" as a justification for Trump>HRC. He's a democrat who copy pasta'd Reagan on a cultural backlash, lying to large groups about employment opportunities in the process.

But hey, let's applaud the guy for lying to coal miners and laugh that that's where HRC lost the campaign, while calling her a liar. that makes sense.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/26892/backlash-heres-what-democrats-are-saying-about-ryan-saavedra

Thank you supreme overlord Pelosi

pelosi and schumer should have been in that van the GOP train hit. the best thing they could do for their party tbh.

Who threw those non-violent black people into prison in the first place? The phrases 'superpredator' and 'three strikes' come to mind.
Hillary is pro-criminal justice reform because she looked at opinion polling and saw the tide had changed and flip flopped from being a tough-on-crime 90's democrat. With convictions that shallow, how much could she have done for reform? She's still from a generation of politicians who know the name 'Willie Horton', and she wouldn't be fool enough to stick her neck out if the pendulum can swing back. Hillary would give us criminal justice reform in the same way she'd give us gay marriage. If the pot legalization movement reached critical mass she'd be late to the bandwagon, otherwise she'd sit back and not stir the pot.



The Obama Doctrine demonstrated how a policy of weaponized pragmatism that takes the most rational approach to geopolitics is still only as good as the person making the calculations, because using an intelligent strategy doesn't make you clever. And Hillary was the 2nd worst offender in the senate, bless lindsay graham's heart, as far as trying to lead us into unforced errors. I don't know where you get this idea that she'd somehow magically learn a lesson that by all accounts she completely failed to learn in all her tenure in various offices. Even after Afghanistan she cheerled Iraq. After Iraq she led Obama into Libya, and she was still unrepentant and foaming at the mouth for syria, probably willing to break loose of the Iran deal she was dragged into kicking and screaming, and still finding time to sabre rattle against china and russia. When folks like Colin Powell talk in private about her legendary obstinance and inability to take credit for her failures or learn from them, and she keeps doing the same thing over and over and over and over again, I think there's a point at which its safe to say she's the abusive partner who ain't gonna change.



We agree on enough of that stuff besides the deficit and maybe protectionism so its no fun to spar

This post was edited by Goomshill on Feb 8 2018 10:33am

The 90s are the era where tough on crime popularity died, not spawned from. HRC was an opportunist of a dying movement in a crime filled area, not fucking johnny appleseed...

This post was edited by thesnipa on Feb 8 2018 10:36am

Remember the old line about 'how do you know when a politician is lying'? I don't think the coal miners are idiots, I think they can figure for themselves that Trump would keep them on life support and Hillary would pull the plug and then fuck their corpses, which was more or less the basis of her 'tax credits for job retraining of laid-off energy sector worker' policy she bizarrely campaigned on, which I like to point out is one of the very few (only?) unique policy positions she actually fleshed out. Trump lied to the evangelicals and they were pretty comically open about their acknowledgement and disregard, when we live in an odd enough world that even the religious right could shrug instead of being self-defeating zealots. They know he's a pro-choice heathen and they don't care as long as he can throw them a bone when it matters to them.

many evangelicals are reading "signs" of the end of times. people bring them up a lot without acknowledging that. just a caveat.

as to the trump life support tho, lol. Entire regions are unemployed, whole towns. the voted for Trump in windfalls. there is no life support, either the mines reopen or they dont. they wont, only one candidate was open about this. If she went for my plan to refocus solar and wind factories in destitute coal towns like i suggested she'd have tempered the response. instead she went for a vague policy and ill timed honesty. but i dont buy the "ya trump lied to coal miners, but they all knew it and were ok with it." this is the party that lambastes people for accepting crumbs from politicians to stay unemployed. they were either lied to or are terrible hypocrites. i could care less which.

What do you think 'life support' is? The whole point I'm making is that I think they were realist enough to know he wasn't going to lay hands upon them and watch them lurch upright from their wheelchairs and praise his name. Just not fuck their corpse

That arrows going a bit up. But otherwise i agree

I dont think shumer is bad. Hes just become very accountable to the far left