Issue with the last part is we know for a fact that Russia is systematically influencing foreign elections.

So do we on a much larger scale. Stop believing the infantile propaganda that we are somehow the protagonists and the Russians are the antagonists, in the real world everyone has their own best interests in mind.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jan 20 2018 10:33am

and this guy is one of them?
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/8x5mma/twitter-told-congress-this-random-american-is-a-russian-propaganda-troll

Twitter's methodology was garbage, they have no idea whats being done 'systemically' or not.
They created a dragnet that would return a vast false positive rate and false negative rate, making their numbers garbage.

haha, reminds me of trump being told that putin kills critical journalists. 'you think we are so innocent?' - ok well i guess it doesn't matter then, nothing does, this is 'fine'...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/02/04/oreilly-told-trump-that-putin-is-a-killer-trumps-reply-you-think-our-countrys-so-innocent/?utm_term=.4f6962bc158d

Russia is behaving similar to Germany before WW2 though....annexing land in neighbors countries and committing to propping up leaders who abuse their populations. I know we are no saint because we've done the same as they've done with Assad with Pinochet, endorse secret policing and abuses of human rights etc. But they are a mafia state. Kleptocracy.

We are the protagonists silly. I live in the United States.

Motivation really matters when you look into the Russiaburger story, because it perfectly explains what happened in 2016, which is something the democrats just love to ignore and act as if Putin's motive didn't exist and pretend he's some snidely whiplash villain instead. And it also shows that indeed, we aren't the innocent ones in the exchange, the truth is as always in the moral gray area.

oh i'm by no means suggesting america was innocent in that regard, i'm merely pointing out that it's a ridiculously pathetic "excuse" to make that point in order to rationalise russia's conduct - ESPECIALLY coming from an american. that's pure cuckery and i think it's hilarious...

Why? Its the reason it occurred. Cause and effect.
The world is driven by more or less rational actors with their own self interests, and its not really that hard to parse together what is going on and why, but there's plenty of propaganda to cloud that message for nutters to seize upon and pretend otherwise.
Someone pointing out the causality and moral ambiguity isn't the same as condoning it. Putin had his reasons, they're explicable, and the question of morality really isn't an important one in the long run, understanding the dynamics is what matters.

Like if America was serious about wanting to avoid spooky russian hackers from influencing its elections, then the answer isnt to increase hostilities, sanctions and aggression against Russia, its to not hit them so they don't hit us back. The principle of MAD, except we hit first, and are trying to justify hitting third.

another cuck trying to portray their own country as the aggressor and the major offender and poor russia only defending themselves, this shit gets funnier by the minute.
hmmm... the sanctions... you mean those that BOTH parties overwhelmingly supported and basically FORCED trump to sign, but that mysteriously STILL haven't been implemented? haha...