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Mar 20 2016 05:29pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 20 Mar 2016 23:08)
...based on what ?

What is your foundation for any claim to understanding God , you already know mine ?


Based on the attributes of God being goodness, mercy and love for mankind.
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Mar 20 2016 05:33pm
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Is secularism or atheism really leading down a path to moral nihilism and cultural decline, though?

Prisoners and criminals are far more likely to identify as Christian than agnostic or atheist.

And wealthy democracies around the world that are less religous than the United States almost all have lower rates of violent crime per capita, too.

So while Christians find things such as homosexuality morally repungant, I'd much rather have gay people acting gay with each other than violent crimes or theft.

To be clear, I'm not arguing there is some grand correlation between more religous societies and violence. What I am saying though is that there is little evidence to suggest secular socieities are on path toward nihilism or hedonism, unless you want to include your own personal definitions of those items, such as acceptance of homosexuality or women allowed outside of domestic roles.


unfair statistic, american presidents are more likely to claim theism as well (because they think it will help their case, not because they believe)
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Mar 20 2016 05:38pm
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unfair statistic, american presidents are more likely to claim theism as well (because they think it will help their case, not because they believe)


Funny that some atheists actually believe this. Bill Maher types can't admit that the president they worship believes in a God they hate.
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Mar 20 2016 05:51pm
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unfair statistic, american presidents are more likely to claim theism as well (because they think it will help their case, not because they believe)


No, a better explaination is that prisoners are disproportionately poor and poorer people tend to be more religious.

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Funny that some atheists actually believe this. Bill Maher types can't admit that the president they worship believes in a God they hate.


I don't hate god or the Christian god. I just don't believe that particular diety exists.

And I'm not ruling out the possibility that a diety exists, I just think we do not have enough information to say definitively that there is one.

But if you have faith that a god exists, well I can't argue with that. Faith, by definition, is not empirical.
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Mar 20 2016 05:59pm
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 20 2016 06:38pm)
Funny that some atheists actually believe this. Bill Maher types can't admit that the president they worship believes in a God they hate.


yes, plenty of atheists believe plenty of dumb things, plenty of theists do the same. (like "people that do not beleive in my god must hate him" perhaps?)

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No, a better explaination is that prisoners are disproportionately poor and poorer people tend to be more religious.


oh and presidents tend to be poor? im confused by your statement

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Quote (ThatAlex @ Mar 20 2016 05:52pm)
Is secularism or atheism really leading down a path to moral nihilism and cultural decline, though?

Prisoners and criminals are far more likely to identify as Christian than agnostic or atheist.

And wealthy democracies around the world that are less religous than the United States almost all have lower rates of violent crime per capita, too.

So while Christians find things such as homosexuality morally repungant, I'd much rather have gay people acting gay with each other than violent crimes or theft.

To be clear, I'm not arguing there is some grand correlation between more religous societies and violence. What I am saying though is that there is little evidence to suggest secular socieities are on path toward nihilism or hedonism, unless you want to include your own personal definitions of those items, such as acceptance of homosexuality or women allowed outside of domestic roles.


Being in a bad situation is going to leave you predisposed towards religious belief; prison is clearly a bad situation. You've got your cause and effect all mixed up.

And of course you're saying that. You can't say that you're not arguing for correlation and then implicitly claim the two are related.

Why do young white men commit the large majority of mass shootings? What's driving the increasing polarization of modern political processes? Is the world getting more or less free over time?

The vacuum religion has left behind has been filled by a whole host of pseudo-religious ideological identities.

Conservatism without religion is Donald Trump, it's angrier and more violent than it was before. The Left believes that deviating from ever more stringent notions of "correctness" is heresy. To say that you're not complicit in the oppression of an ever-expanding number of identity groups is to identity yourself as a bigot, and as we all know, the only way to deal with a bigot is with violence.
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Mar 20 2016 06:43pm
Quote (dude_927 @ Mar 21 2016 02:59am)
yes, plenty of atheists believe plenty of dumb things, plenty of theists do the same. (like "people that do not beleive in my god must hate him" perhaps?)


oh and presidents tend to be poor? im confused by your statement



Yes like no President ever pretended he is religious for the sake of his image. Every single one of them was a devout Christian.
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Mar 20 2016 06:47pm
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Yes like no President ever pretended he is religious for the sake of his image. Every single one of them was a devout Christian.


i never said they didnt, in fact i implied they were doing just that, claiming religion to further a cause

e: to get the point across that "criminals in jail are mostly christian" was an "unfair statistic" as i put it

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Mar 20 2016 06:54pm
Christians are more likely to be criminals than atheists are, it's that simple. This is not an argument against Christian belief, nor is it suggesting a causal relationship between Christian belief and criminal behavior; it's merely a fact.

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Christians are more likely to be criminals than atheists are, it's that simple. This is not an argument against Christian belief, nor is it suggesting a causal relationship between Christian belief and criminal behavior; it's merely a fact.


True, i clutch my ass to make sure i still have my wallet when christians pass by me
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