d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Official Political Picture Thread
Prev11661671681691705001Next
Closed New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 10,566
Joined: May 31 2013
Gold: 0.76
Mar 18 2015 03:06am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 17 Mar 2015 23:07)
That's because until recently the minimum wage was enough to raise a family on. We have presidents making speeches decades ago about not letting the minimum wage fall below that level, the idea that the minimum wage should be good enough to thrive is not a new idea.



Vouch in fact I ran across this..

Quote
House Majority Leader Richard Armey, Republican of Texas, vowed to fight Democratic President Bill Clinton's proposed increase in the minimum wage with "every fiber" of his body. Moderate Republicans, on the other hand, have not been so adamant. Although some of them reject an increase in the minimum wage as unnecessary, others have tended to argue that workers in entry-level positions deserve pay adequate enough to live on and that raising the minimum wage does not necessarily increase unemployment or inflation. Additional debate among party members has focused not on so much on whether there should be a minimum wage, but what it should be.

http://www.criticism.com/policy/republicans-minimum-wage-policy.php
Member
Posts: 62,215
Joined: Jun 3 2007
Gold: 9,039.20
Mar 18 2015 03:14am
Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Mar 18 2015 03:00am)
do you think low income and poverty level human beings can afford Walmart and Mcdonalds? please check your privilege sir. .


Yes?

They rely on both regularly for meals and shopping.
Member
Posts: 63,097
Joined: Jan 11 2005
Gold: 9,765.00
Warn: 60%
Mar 18 2015 03:25am
Quote (j0ltk0la @ Mar 18 2015 04:14am)
Yes?

They rely on both regularly for meals and shopping.


People who work at McDs can't afford to eat at mcD's silly.

Who told you otherwise?
Member
Posts: 63,058
Joined: Jul 15 2005
Gold: 152.00
Mar 18 2015 04:49am
Quote (card_sultan @ Mar 18 2015 04:25am)
People who work at McDs can't afford to eat at mcD's silly.

Who told you otherwise?


Yes they can lol
Member
Posts: 62,215
Joined: Jun 3 2007
Gold: 9,039.20
Mar 18 2015 04:52am
Quote (card_sultan @ Mar 18 2015 03:25am)
People who work at McDs can't afford to eat at mcD's silly.

Who told you otherwise?


People who work at McDonalds get free meals there once a day.
Member
Posts: 10,566
Joined: May 31 2013
Gold: 0.76
Mar 18 2015 05:32am
Quote (Voyaging @ 18 Mar 2015 05:49)
Yes they can lol


You have such a low grasp on reality that I don't blame you for this opinion but no speaking as a member of this demographic fast food is a every so often like twice a month treat

our clothes come from yard sales/salvation army stores/ and thrift stores

Quote (j0ltk0la @ 18 Mar 2015 04:14)
Yes?

They rely on both regularly for meals and shopping.


go back under your bridge I'm already battling the entire libertarian freedom movement

Quote
People who work at McDonalds get free meals there once a day.


I think the company policy is now just a discount on food... something like 15-20% the cheap ass mofo's
this may deviate franchise to franchise IDK fosho

This post was edited by Valhalls_Sun on Mar 18 2015 05:36am
Member
Posts: 34,649
Joined: Jul 2 2007
Gold: 273.37
Mar 18 2015 08:25am
Quote (2sexy4u @ Mar 17 2015 11:06pm)
need source, last time you posted wrong random facts and flee away when i exposed you.


No idea what you're talking about.

Look it up yourself. Mining as a % of Australian GDP in comparison with resource neutral countries, commodities as a share of Australian exports, China as a share of Australian exports, China has a share of global growth over the last decade.

You're assuming economies are all equivalent. I might as well talk about how impoverished Quebec is compared with Alberta. Clearly though inefficiencies only account for a big chunk of that, oil-driven growth plays the rest.
Member
Posts: 53,552
Joined: Mar 6 2008
Gold: 1,908.33
Mar 18 2015 09:12am


I might have already posted that one.. but :lol:

Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 18 2015 09:25am)
No idea what you're talking about.

Look it up yourself. Mining as a % of Australian GDP in comparison with resource neutral countries, commodities as a share of Australian exports, China as a share of Australian exports, China has a share of global growth over the last decade.

You're assuming economies are all equivalent. I might as well talk about how impoverished Quebec is compared with Alberta. Clearly though inefficiencies only account for a big chunk of that, oil-driven growth plays the rest.


Yes that is his fundamental flaw.
Pointing out an inefficiency does not mean all communities or countries with that inefficiency will be worse off than every community without it(or with a slightly lesser degree of it).
There is far more than one factor in play when comparing unemployment rates in different countries.

Member
Posts: 34,649
Joined: Jul 2 2007
Gold: 273.37
Mar 19 2015 12:19am
Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Mar 18 2015 04:00am)
middle income earners of course, the great consumers.

do you think low income and poverty level human beings can afford Walmart and Mcdonalds? please check your privilege sir.

look at the dollar store and the salvation army store, and Aldis and food wharehouse people living on low income can't afford to eat fast food what are you thinking?


The poor definitely shop at Walmart, as do the working class. Regardless, these aren't increases being paid by the wealthy, but by the middle class and a handful of stockholders.

Quote
One thing I think you should look at this in fairness is the value that you are placing on labor as it factors into the entire gross profit margins that a company sets, I know margins are wildly different depending on the type of business and we can be speaking about a variety of business when we discuss the minimum wage. When you talk about manufacturing labor really won't have a very big voice by the time items hit retail and if a couple points increase in labor is all it takes to send a company south then it's in constant danger as is. As we all know the Commodities will have a direct affect on the price of the raw materials used in manufacturing and those are on a constant rollercoaster ride. Any good company will have cushion in it's gpm for these hitches. And the slow steady rise of the minimum wage is what I would be talking about not some crazy all or nothing doubling of it. Fast Food has crazy high margins and can easily squeak out higher wages.


Manufacturing has country hopped throughout all of Asia, so labor costs are a defining factor.

I don't think you've addressed the point. Lowering profitability below economic "normal profit" discourages investment in the particular industry. Increasing the cost of labor either increases prices (driving down net productivity as employees reap the resulting rent), decreases employment (as employers seek to cut increased labor costs), or decreases profit (resulting in less investment in the industry). All three are intermixed, but they all result in less employment, more rent, and higher prices.

If we want to help the poor outright redistribution is a more effective policy, but increasing opportunity in education is probably more effective than both.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Mar 19 2015 12:20am
Member
Posts: 62,215
Joined: Jun 3 2007
Gold: 9,039.20
Mar 19 2015 03:36am
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev11661671681691705001Next
Closed New Topic New Poll