yes. absolutely. by using the trillions of dollars of equipment, and one of the most sophisticated intelligence networks in the world, to do the hard part and specifically target those responsible for the atrocious attacks on innocent israelis, ideally destroying hamas altogether - rather than causing a massive humanitarian crisis by just starving and carpet bombing an already deprived population, killing thousands of innocent people while shrugging their shoulders and going "meh, they have been warned. whoever remained was clearly acting willingly as a human shield for terrorists, nothing we could have done..."

also, netanyahu has to stop propping up hamas, and cynically treating them as an asset, tolerating the occasional flare-up as a "low" price to pay for the prevention of palestinian statehood.
and just to inb4 the usual suspects clutch their pearls about the last part: that's not a conspiracy, that's not anti-semitism, it's a more or less open secret in israel - and to anyone a bit more familiar with this conflict. many (jewish) critics of netanyahu have repeatedly pointed that out over the years.

I agree with your sentiment, but I think Void is saying that Hamas don't want a 2 state solution and they don't want peace.

Unfeasible. Gaza is extremely densely populated there is no surgical way to cleanse Hamas here. Saying well they're rich and have good intelligence so they should just figure something else out is not fair.

Thanks for the genuine reply, firstly. I know this is a heated topic.

I don't have any intention to misrepresent Israel's provision of warnings. I'm not saying that they "gave no warning or time". They certainly have given warning and time; however, I think the point of contention is whether that warning and time (24 hours) is sufficient to accomplish the very thing Israel is wanting the Palestinians to do (evacuate 1 million+ people to the southern half of the region). There have been some signs, which is good, that Israel themselves recognizes that it is a very difficult thing to do and they have made extensions at the request of international aid organizations and hospitals so that they could have more time to evacuate people.

To your point about cutting off resources to aid civilian movement. That is an interesting conceptualization, one which I could see myself being more supportive of if Israel cut off resources to the north while continuing to provide resources for civilians to the south. To my knowledge, resources have instead been cut off to the essentially the whole of Gaza.

I also think your point about the US response to 9/11 is relevant in that we saw what nationalistic bloodlust would look like, and it was pretty horrendous. Israel would do well to learn better from our mistakes.

Lastly, I don't expect Israel to broadcast their plans; however, being clear on their plan and their messaging are critical to any long-term efforts and are particularly relevant to international support or lackthereof.

That's subjugation.



So what's your solution? Kill all Jihadists? But wouldn't that just turn into a similar situation like this one? Any attempt to root out and kill Jihadists would just radicalize ordinary Muslims, with the end result being that we would have to target regular people.

They can give back the land they bribed the UN to steal for them and leave.
All conflict would end instantaneously.

Palestine does not want a two party state generally speaking. Outside of attempting to "legitimize" Palestine as much as possible in the eyes of the world, which is of course a fair goal of theirs which makes sense.

This decade still 60% of Palestinians said the final goal of their national movement should be "to work toward reclaiming all of historic Palestine from the river to the sea".

In 2021 by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research revealed that only 39% of Palestinians support the two-state solution.

Another report published in 2021 by the RAND Corporation found that 60% of Israelis across the political spectrum opposed a two-state solution.

And then if we were to solve the land issues, we would still be faced with Radical Islam as an ingrained aspect of their society. Purely the religious competition between the jews and the muslims would continue to generate conflict in the area. (SPECIALY, if one of the arab nations had the military power to take over the land). Less likely to occur while West has the power to end them easily. But if the tables were turned, im a believer they would capture the land.

This post was edited by iBruno on Oct 13 2023 06:28pm

Mate, Gaza is 25 miles long from north to south. These people aren't asked to track 300 miles across a desert on foot. As soon as we seen the first airstrike on Gaza city (I want to say Saturday or Sunday) it was evident to pretty much all watching that they will start pounding Gaza city. The people living there know what's going to happen, because it happened pretty much every other time previously. Hamas attacks -> Israel airstrikes follow on Gaza.


2nd bolded I 100% agree, and was a key point made by the podcast I posted.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 13 2023 06:28pm

The land was owned and controlled by the British empire. Also the jews originated in that land as far back as befire the Roman days, and were once the legitimate owners of the land, but displaced by the Roman empire. So like, how far do we go back with "this land belonged to XYZ civilization so lets give it back".

Do we stop at Israel? Should we give Europe and south america to the descendants of the people who were there before? Lets just dissolve all the worlds current countries and figure out where is the "cut-off" in history that decides who gets to own the land.

This is kind of a tricky subject i think.

This post was edited by iBruno on Oct 13 2023 06:32pm

Void....I m taking an Amoral approach to this.

1. Two carrier groups, move one further north to Lebanon.

2. Open 3 to 4 corridors down South closer to Egypt. Children age 13 and below and women to leave and prepare humanitarian aid to them and get countries to put them up temporarily if possible. A burden that has to be shared with UN involved.

3. Lay Siege. Open tightly guarded channels East of Gaza, for men to surrender. And sieve them out bit by bit. Going to take a while since there will be close to 1M population, men of fighting age 18 to 55 will be around max 500K conservatively speaking.

4. Holding facilities for thorough investigation into perpetrators and Hamas extremists.

Just my thoughts.

A lot of work, but don't need to bomb too much.