You guys elected a reality television guy stfu.

Libertarian beliefs are weird.

I think it was that Mises guy who said people should be free to beat and duck their kids as long as their kids were able to shop for new parents.

Because state intervention in abuse and sexual abuse is oppressive while parents don't own their children so they have the right to leave at any time to find new parents or parent themselves.

Yes, it's 100% stupid and sociopathic, and the dude was serious about.

Mises. Rothbard. Dahmer.




I've seen a lot of their speeches and have necer heard anything anti man or anti white.

That's all projected.

This election it was the GOP playing identity politics and it works. White identity politics and low voter turnout sealed the Trump win.

A mid term election, unhappy base, and higher turnout is likely this time around because nobody believed this could happen, with the GOP getting a raciat tv star to win lol.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jan 13 2018 09:32am

maybe. but we could try to at least not make it extra hard on those coal jobs that are still here, we could at least try to improve the wages for those rural jobs that are still left, we could at least try to create new, future-proof jobs outside of manhattan/the silicon valley.

globalization IS indeed hurting many rural communities, even if the solution might not be as easy as trump portrayed it on the campaign trail.
compared to the democrats and conventional republicans, trump was noticing, acknowledging and feeling the pain of bleeding rural america. compared to all the others, he at least realizes and confirms that there is a problem and he is one of the few who at least try to do something about it.

meanwhile, hillary was talking about white privilege, rape culture and glass ceilings ...

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 13 2018 09:31am

Except liberals are the reason they have electricity in the first place. The Conservatives were traditionally agsinst rural electrification. Short memories though.

Rural electrification = more BS liberal welfare programs that don't work.


This post was edited by Skinned on Jan 13 2018 09:40am

The way to help rural communities is by pushing higher education, by reducing cost to access, by reducing healthcare cost (which is a major business expense and personal expense), by pushing for vocational training programs for the poor and working classes that are too old to make an investment in higher education....

I could go on and make a list dozens of items long that would help the working rural populations, but oh wait! That shit is all stuff Liberals are pushing for and that Conservatives are actively trying to kill!

Shocker! They voted against their own best interests, and the country's best interests again!


We can act like adults and come to the table to find what will actually help these populations, but only one side is actually willing to have that conversation. If Republicans wanted to have that conversation now it would literally require rewriting 90% of their entire playbook.



Let's look at what dumb liberals did in the past that conservatives said would kill jobs and destroy American prosperity.

Free high school education? Check
Rural electrification? Check
Public Libraries? Check
Ban Child Labor? Check
Workplace Safety? Check
Federal Research Grants? Check


Again, I could go on, and all of these ideas were pushed by Liberals, not conservatives. All of these ideas were fought against by conservatives using the exact same language they use today.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 13 2018 10:12am

those are all programs pushed by liberals decades ago.
in recent decades, they have become a destructive force.

Just about all of the things are on the chopping block due to shitty politicians still, to this day.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jan 13 2018 11:30am

It sucks that once Liberals stop being effective politicians the country goes down hill.

But let's not pretend it's because of Liberal policies. It's exactly that we stopped passing liberal policies.

What are the bastions that are doing best in our country? Definitely not Alabama. Too far south? Definitely not Texas now that their one resource is drying up. The only places we have suited to maintain long-term economics are liberal powerhouses. The reason? Liberals have good policy.

If you're able to get past all the identity politics distractions that are pushed by the right-wing just to distract from actual policy discussions you would realize this.

The actual time spent by liberals discussing identity politics is a tiny tiny fraction of a percentage, but the conservatives love to push it because it distracts from actual policy discussion.

Liberal this liberal that, your guys are splitting things like no tomorrow.
Your pill of populism smells like shit.

well, I dont know about local town hall meetings and so on, but on the largest stage of them all, the national presidential election campaign, the democratic candidate and her surrogates were talking about identity politics far more often than just "a tiny tiny fraction" of the time.



no, this is far too short-sighted.

in reality, it's as follows: some places are more well-off than others, for whatever reason. this additional wealth makes them soft and leads them to adopt more welfare programs and to focus more on nuissance or nonsense topics. the people from suffering, bleeding communities simply dont have the time or the resources to talk about transgender bathrooms or diversity quotas.

and just for the record: I personally do believe that a certain baseline level of social security and redistribution is very advantageous and ideal and propagates wealth and healthy communities. the sweet spot imho is closer to what democrats prefer than to republican or libertarian positions.
but liberals are constantly ruining whatever good ideas they would have in terms of a basic welfare state by their support for polarizing identity politics, by their support for poverty immigration and by their tendency to extend the welfare state way beyond the reasonable, basic size.