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Aug 26 2022 10:40pm
Quote (excellence @ Aug 26 2022 05:17pm)
watch these “documents” end up being a ‘nuclear strategy to nuke a hurricane’

interns had full control of clinton, bush was an inept controlled by warmongers, weinstein had obama’s kid in his employ, biden has been bought and paid for for decades, but some random “document” is the end all.

Trump is not covering himself in glory lately but the lack of clarity is silly. They want to nail him what’s the delay? Politics? They got rid of Nixon right quick over much less than what is accused


I don't think we'll ever know the contents of the documents (nor should we!). My guess is that a lot of these are "souvenirs" from the Solemani and Baghdadi kills and contain particularly sensitive information.

If it were anyone else BUT Trump, the book would have been thrown at them and they'd see a very long prison sentence. If he had just turned over the documents w, he would have gotten away with it. Unfortunately, he just can't help himself and it might cost him this time.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 26 2022 05:25pm)
They gotta wait for another 1-2 months before they move ahead, so that "Trump drama" dominates the news cycle in the crucial months heading into the midterms and distracts voters from how much everything has gone to shit lately. I'd say moving ahead in mid-September maximizes the political gain for Democrats.


No one is going to change their vote over this. The reason it's going so slow is because investigations take an extraordinary amount of time. For example, The DA's office in GA has been putting a case together for almost 2 YEARS now. If the DOJ is going to indict, you NEED to win. You literally can't afford to fuck this one up.
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Aug 26 2022 11:04pm
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No one is going to change their vote over this. The reason it's going so slow is because investigations take an extraordinary amount of time. For example, The DA's office in GA has been putting a case together for almost 2 YEARS now. If the DOJ is going to indict, you NEED to win. You literally can't afford to fuck this one up.


It's not about voters literally changing their minds because of Trump's handling of classified documents and a potential prosecution - it's about this topic sucking the oxygen out of the political news cycle. Of all the potential issues Democrats want the media to be focusing on before the midterms, this is by far the best for them. The more the midterms become a referendum on Trump's conduct instead of the track record of the Biden admin, the better for Democrats.

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Aug 26 2022 11:34pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 26 2022 10:04pm)
It's not about voters literally changing their minds because of Trump's handling of classified documents and a potential prosecution - it's about this topic sucking the oxygen out of the political news cycle. Of all the potential issues Democrats want the media to be focusing on before the midterms, this is by far the best for them. The more the midterms become a referendum on Trump's conduct instead of the track record of the Biden admin, the better for Democrats.


LOL! C'mon, you can't be THIS out of touch. Unless Trump is actually indicted, this story is going to go away because it doesn't fundamentally change anything. The average voter is going to care more about inflation, Biden's agenda (lots of pros and cons there), and the Dobbs decision. Hell, I bet the student loan forgiveness program is going to take up WAY more news cycles because it's on shaky legal ground and there's a lot of things to debate from a policy standpoint.

Do you know what would make this election an ACTUAL referendum on Trump? Him announcing before the midterms :)
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Aug 26 2022 11:43pm
Quote (softcoresux @ Aug 26 2022 09:07pm)
Keep in mind the specific reason Hillary Clinton was not prosecuted by the DOJ, according to the DOJ, was the difficulty in proving intent for her unlawful possession of classified material. So do I think intent will matter? Yes, yea I do.

Secondarily, I haven’t analyzed these statutes but the number of felony offenses that exist out there that do not require criminal intent is extremely small. The overwhelming bias in U.S. laws, particularly at the felony level is towards the inclusion of some element of criminal intent. Americans, generally speaking tend to be not in favor of convicting someone of a serious criminal offense just based on strict liability or regular old negligence.



The espionage act doesn't require criminal intent.
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Aug 26 2022 11:51pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Aug 26 2022 10:43pm)
DOJ Releases Highly Redacted Affidavit Behind Trump Raid!! Here’s What’s In It!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/YNGohDmH6VMw/



Well, she hit a few nails on the head with that video.
And as she said... the whistleblower's "training and experience" does not probable cause make.

This raid is no cleaner than the one in 2016-17 for Ruusiagate.
This is just more of the same crap the Dems have been pulling all along.









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Aug 27 2022 01:14am
I've contrasted how Biden is going after Trump against how Trump didn't go after Hillary. But there's another important distinction to make. We've seen Trump at his most desperate, and he was relatively toothless and when shit hit the fan he made notable efforts to end the chaos. Biden hasn't been put in a desperate situation. His administration's choice to proactively antagonize his predecessor wasn't born of necessity or the normal cynical political game. There's no impetus on Biden that says, 'you have to get Trump now, or else!' He's in the same secure spot Trump was for most of his term. And yet this has been his priority.

Most despots and tyrants and been motivated by paranoia and insecurity. When you're at constant risk of being dethroned, you get medieval in your methods. Biden's only risk right now is being remembered worse than Jimmy Carter.
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Quote (softcoresux @ Aug 26 2022 09:07pm)
Keep in mind the specific reason Hillary Clinton was not prosecuted by the DOJ, according to the DOJ, was the difficulty in proving intent for her unlawful possession of classified material. So do I think intent will matter? Yes, yea I do.

Secondarily, I haven’t analyzed these statutes but the number of felony offenses that exist out there that do not require criminal intent is extremely small. The overwhelming bias in U.S. laws, particularly at the felony level is towards the inclusion of some element of criminal intent. Americans, generally speaking tend to be not in favor of convicting someone of a serious criminal offense just based on strict liability or regular old negligence.

Edit 1: for people on the right who think Trump is playing some high level strategy game here, your dumber than he is for being too much of a chaotic bafoon to keep his documents from being a chaotic dumpster fire.

Edit 2: for people on the left that think this is going to end well for you, your missing the big picture. You have nothing but losing options here. Americans In general won’t get worked up over a document crime, they just won’t. No body but people on the right really cared that much about what Hillary did and no one but people on the left are going to care this time.

If you fail to prosecute Trump now the right wins.
If you prosecute Trump and he is acquitted the backlash will be extreme
If you prosecute Trump and win - you remove a weak dumb candidate like Trump from the chess board, which was your greatest asset.

I mean really the only players here dumber than Trump are the leftists that are excited and that’s really saying something.


LOOOL so the "but her emails" nobody cared about.. .LOOOL

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Aug 27 2022 04:31am
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 26 2022 08:20pm)
But again, all that is accomplished by such process is the formalization of the constitutional powers the president holds implicitly. That's the whole executive branch in a nutshell. The power derives from the president, all the bureaucracy and policies and executive orders and guidance memos, just serve to formalize his powers. That's a necessity when it comes to prosecuting anyone other than the president, but its a full paradox when it comes to prosecuting a president. No matter what bureaucracy exists, it cannot constrain the powers of the president from which it derives. If the president doesn't sign or proclaim anything, that's a valid defense in court for some random citizen to claim violates his constitutional protections under the 5th amendment, but its not grounds to form criminal liability for the president himself in court. We don't live in a nightmarish draconian system where you either declare your every action and abide every formality or else we imprison you. Nor does anyone have the authority to declare when a president has used his constitutional powers save the president, because any agency making a counterclaim is usurping that power from the president. He says he exerted his executive powers, they say he didn't, who's determination is final? He was elected president, they weren't. Just like we're not a system that criminalizes every shortcut or informality, we're not a system that criminalizes disputes over authority and jurisdiction. We resolve them civilly.


How is it a nightmarish draconian system to expect that if the president wants to declassify something, there needs to be some process to do so? That's just common sense, because there's consequences of declassifying something, there's laws to follow, so it's absurd to think that the president can simply hold a thought in his head about how he declassified something, and thus, it's declassified.

We're not even debating whether the process that Trump had dotted every i and crossed every t. Trump had no process at all, he simply claims he had a standing order, which there is no evidence of beyond a couple coup-plotters who back it up.

We're also ignoring the point that this is a post-hoc rationalization for Trump to avoid an indictment, which it took him months to come up with, lol. But the shills go along with it like the sheep they are.

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I've contrasted how Biden is going after Trump against how Trump didn't go after Hillary. But there's another important distinction to make. We've seen Trump at his most desperate, and he was relatively toothless and when shit hit the fan he made notable efforts to end the chaos. Biden hasn't been put in a desperate situation. His administration's choice to proactively antagonize his predecessor wasn't born of necessity or the normal cynical political game. There's no impetus on Biden that says, 'you have to get Trump now, or else!' He's in the same secure spot Trump was for most of his term. And yet this has been his priority.

Most despots and tyrants and been motivated by paranoia and insecurity. When you're at constant risk of being dethroned, you get medieval in your methods. Biden's only risk right now is being remembered worse than Jimmy Carter.


Under the Biden administration, the DOJ has been independent, so the DOJ pursuing Trump for violating the law does not mean "Biden is going after Trump".

And were you asleep during the Ukraine scandal? Trump used the power of the US government to extort a foreign ally in order to dig up dirt on Biden. Lol. He also routinely lied about his predecessor, including the claim that Obama spied on his campaign.

Trump cultists constantly argue that the reaction to Trump's criminality and abuses of power is norm breaking, but that's silly. The criminality and abuses of power are what violates norms, not the attempted accountability.

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Under the Biden administration, the DOJ has been independent

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Quote (thundercock @ 27 Aug 2022 07:34)
LOL! C'mon, you can't be THIS out of touch. Unless Trump is actually indicted, this story is going to go away because it doesn't fundamentally change anything. The average voter is going to care more about inflation

... which is exactly why it would be good for Democrats if the media talks about Trump and Mar-a-Lago instead of inflation. :)

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Hell, I bet the student loan forgiveness program is going to take up WAY more news cycles because it's on shaky legal ground and there's a lot of things to debate from a policy standpoint.

You know very well that the media will prefer simplistic stories about Trump, a proven ratings draw, over wonky policy debates.

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Do you know what would make this election an ACTUAL referendum on Trump? Him announcing before the midterms :)

No disagreement there, Trump announcing before the midterms would be a disaster for the GOP. ;)

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