Quote (Goomshill @ 26 Feb 2022 12:13)
NATO countries are definitely giving Putin his justification as they rush to funnel weapons into Ukraine to fight Russia.
Its such an awful half-measure. If Ukraine actually was folded into NATO we'd be obligated to defend it with our militaries and wage war against Russia. Instead, we're pussyfooting around and funneling lethal aid to Ukraine to kill Russian troops, which validates everything Russians feared about NATO expansion and opening a hostile military front in their back yard, and yet lets not kid ourselves, those weapons will be completely ineffective at propping up the Zelensky regime which is so obviously doomed right now. We're not going to save Ukraine, the most we can do is make Russia bleed the longer it stays. And what is that going to accomplish? Satisfy our spite? Nothing America and the EU has done over the past 8 years has been in the best interests of the Ukrainian people, that's for sure, and lets not pretend that this rush to recruit child soldiers to hurl molotovs at modern tanks is a humanitarian endeavor or that handing out stingers will save Ukrainian lives. Look at Afghanistan. At best you kill enough Russians to make an occupation unpalatable while inflicting 10-100x as many deaths on the Ukrainians, while completely destroying the country and its infrastructure. As opposed to... ceding Ukraine back to the Russian sphere of influence? Status quo circa 2013 as Yanukovych refused to sign the EU association agreement? What horror! Imagine how terrible the daily lives of Ukrainians would be under a Russian puppet state, as opposed to a CIA puppet state.
This is the worst possible course we're on right now. We're not holding Putin in check, we're driving a wedge into international relations that's forcing India, China and the UAE/KSA/mideast to side with Russia. We're escalating tensions with Russia without any tangible benefit. We won't stop the takeover of Ukraine, we will only worsen the humanitarian crisis and throw more fuel on the fire. What redeeming merit is there to our current strategy? Thumbing our nose at Putin isn't a reward unto itself. We don't gain when Russia loses.
What happens if Russia hits one of these weapon convoys with an airstrike like Israel loves to do to Iranian weapon shipments? Maybe even some western drivers and "special advisors" from the CIA get killed. Will we shoot back? Declare a no-fly zone? Some dogfights with Russian air force? Bring us even closer to nuclear annihilation than the cuban missile crisis as we skip right past a cold war and jump into a hot war? American has already blown its load on every possible non-military sanction and condemnation in its arsenal. All that's left is military conflict.
how does providing ukraine with weapons to DEFEND themselves against a russian invasion "validate" putin?! his alleged fear was NATO invading russia - something every single person on the planet knows for a FACT would never happen, thanks to russia's nuclear arsenal. if ukraine was invading russia with NATO support, you'd have a point - but that is obviously not the case, and never was even remotely an option.
also, why are the likes of india or saudi-arabia "forced" to side with russia? that doesn't even begin to make any logical sense whatsoever. russia is the aggressor, russia is invading a foreign country, breaking international law, killing innocent civilians... if anything, this would force 'neutral' nations to be AGAINST them.
saying bullshit with confidence in long essays doesn't make it right.
not even your simplistic take on the two 'reasonable' scenarios makes any sense. look at the two germanies under western and russian control for reference.
you are, once again, perfectly aligned with the worst this forum has to offer, uncritically regurgitating pro russian propaganda, trying to justify and rationalise an unjustifiable war. i genuinely thought i had seen the worst of you when you went all in on defending ahmaud arbery's racist murderers - but apparently there is no bottom to your barrel...