Now i really got triggered for not having my non-Christian safe space.

This post was edited by Neptunus on Mar 20 2016 04:06pm

Leviticus is a masterpiece.

Read Paul, Christianity by nature encourages stable temporal order. It's very clear on how to act, not just so that you're godly, but so that you don't destabilize the foundation upon which faith and society can exist.

Modern secularism is both hedonistic and narcissistic. It leads down a path to moral nihilism and cultural decline.

Incidentally, reading 4th century Roman literature is enlightening. They suffered through the same widespread social decline that led to Christianity's rapid rise in the first place.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Mar 20 2016 04:36pm

How does the moral nihilism manifest, then? I think one could make a case for it being the driving force behind the progress mankind has made in human rights.

...what you just called progress has only driven mankind further from God .

Religion has been adapted pretty universally over a very long period of time. This isn't an argument in itself, but clearly something is behind that.

There's a public and private component. Rulers will always act with greater discretion. It's necessary for society to function.

...in my circle this is known as the Doctrine of Balaam .

Is secularism or atheism really leading down a path to moral nihilism and cultural decline, though?

Prisoners and criminals are far more likely to identify as Christian than agnostic or atheist.

And wealthy democracies around the world that are less religous than the United States almost all have lower rates of violent crime per capita, too.

So while Christians find things such as homosexuality morally repungant, I'd much rather have gay people acting gay with each other than violent crimes or theft.

To be clear, I'm not arguing there is some grand correlation between more religous societies and violence. What I am saying though is that there is little evidence to suggest secular socieities are on path toward nihilism or hedonism, unless you want to include your own personal definitions of those items, such as acceptance of homosexuality or women allowed outside of domestic roles.

This post was edited by ThatAlex on Mar 20 2016 04:54pm

I don't think so, to me it seems we've gotten closer to what a god would represent.



Assigning utility value to religion is morally nihilistic in itself. I don't see how that would protect against moral nihilism, which is mostly a philosophical concept and doesn't really represent what people feel. A conflict remains though, and i think weltschmerz is a pretty good approximation of it. People wish for morality in a world with no morality, and the only option would be to create it. People have been more or less doing that throughout history with religion just being a crude tool for reaching a goal. Secular humanism is the modern equivalent of that crude tool, and modern often means better.

...based on what ?

What is your foundation for any claim to understanding God , you already know mine ?