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Jun 30 2026 03:05am
I didn't reply because listing my arguments back to me with passive-aggressive numbers isn't a counter-argument it’s an evasion. But if you want to move on to Lebanon, let’s talk about the facts you conveniently left out.
You throw around words like 'scorched earth' and 'ethnic cleansing,' but you completely ignore why those border villages look the way they do. For months, Hezbollah completely militarized southern Lebanon. They packed civilian homes with anti-tank missiles, buried ammunition depots under living rooms, and built massive tunnel networks right up to our border all to launch thousands of unprovoked rockets that forced 60,000 Israeli civilians to flee their homes.
When a terrorist organization turns a border village into a heavily fortified front-line military base aimed at murdering our citizens, that village becomes a legitimate military target under international law. Israel isn't carrying out 'ethnic cleansing'; it is dismantling a massive, active invasion infrastructure that should have been removed years ago under UN Resolution 1701.
Creating a secure buffer zone so our citizens can finally return home without facing anti-tank fire from across the fence isn't a crime it's basic national survival. You expect Israel to let a genocidal proxy sit on its doorstep and fire rockets forever. We won't. If protecting our people means flattening the rocket launchers hidden in those border homes, that is Hezbollah’s responsibility, not ours.


The problem here is no matter what article (fact) we produce, your response is to dismiss our...narrative, with your own. so when we see 20+ villages being bombed into the stone age, scorched earth, you see legitimate military targets being neutralised. Or, we see women and children being targeted and you see unfortunate casualties of Hamas (or Hezbollah's) terrorist (or say armed resistance) activities. Israel is in another country right now, an invasion, it has no intention of allowing citizens of that country to return to their homes and the Israeli military is ensuring there are no homes or land to return to. If Israel wanted to be safe, having cordial relations would be a good start, but instead what we see is destruction at a level not seen anywhere in the world for a long long time.

Lets talk about human shields - you say, its Hamas / Hezbollah responsible, and that they use human shields (as they are embedded in the communities). What about Israel? it is a documented fact - by Amnesty International, B'Tselem, and even Israel's own Supreme Court, that Israeli forces have used Palestinian civilians as human shields during operations in Gaza. So if we are assigning blame for civilian deaths based on who uses human shields, that blame runs in both directions. You can't use that argument to absolve Israel while ignoring its own record. Well, you can use that argument but it does not hold.

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Jun 30 2026 04:41am
"It's their responsibility we are stealing land"
By your logic everyone you deem an enemy you are free to take their land to create "buffer zones".
Israel needs to figure out a way to make peace, not war, only then can there be some sort of dim hope for lasting peace. Hard times ahead when Israel has butchered 25k kids in gaza though, i would imagine the line of family members who now rightfully want retribution is long.


If they initiate an attack they will pay for it with buffer zone
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The problem here is no matter what article (fact) we produce, your response is to dismiss our...narrative, with your own. so when we see 20+ villages being bombed into the stone age, scorched earth, you see legitimate military targets being neutralised. Or, we see women and children being targeted and you see unfortunate casualties of Hamas (or Hezbollah's) terrorist (or say armed resistance) activities. Israel is in another country right now, an invasion, it has no intention of allowing citizens of that country to return to their homes and the Israeli military is ensuring there are no homes or land to return to. If Israel wanted to be safe, having cordial relations would be a good start, but instead what we see is destruction at a level not seen anywhere in the world for a long long time.

Lets talk about human shields - you say, its Hamas / Hezbollah responsible, and that they use human shields (as they are embedded in the communities). What about Israel? it is a documented fact - by Amnesty International, B'Tselem, and even Israel's own Supreme Court, that Israeli forces have used Palestinian civilians as human shields during operations in Gaza. So if we are assigning blame for civilian deaths based on who uses human shields, that blame runs in both directions. You can't use that argument to absolve Israel while ignoring its own record. Well, you can use that argument but it does not hold.



You are trying to turn concrete military reality into a philosophical debate about 'narratives,' but facts aren't a matter of opinion.
First, let's talk about your Supreme Court 'gotcha.' You completely scored an own goal. The fact that Israel’s independent Supreme Court openly investigated, debated, and legally banned soldiers from using the 'neighbor procedure' decades ago is the ultimate proof of a democracy with a rule of law. When individual Israeli soldiers violate that law, they are prosecuted.
Now look at the other side: Hamas and Hezbollah don't have rogue soldiers breaking rules human shielding is their entire official military strategy. They don't have a Supreme Court banning it; they have leadership explicitly telling civilians to stay in the line of fire so their deaths can be used as PR weapons. To equate a democracy that legally bans a practice with a terrorist organization that builds its entire warfare model around it is intellectual dishonesty at its peak.
Second, you say Israel should have tried 'cordial relations.' Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005, tore down every single settlement, and left behind a thriving agricultural infrastructure. The response? Gaza elected Hamas, tore down the greenhouses to build rocket launchers, and fired thousands of missiles at our towns. In Lebanon, Israel withdrew to the internationally recognized border in 2000. The response? Hezbollah built a massive terror fortress on our fence.
We tried 'cordial relations' by retreating to our borders, and we got October 7th and thousands of rockets in return.
You see 'villages being bombed'; we see the concrete launchpads that fired anti-tank missiles into our homes for a year. Israel is invading southern Lebanon because UN Resolution 1701 completely failed to keep Hezbollah away from our border. If a country is attacked unprovoked for a year, it has every right under international law to cross that border and destroy the infrastructure meant to annihilate it. You can call it a 'narrative' all you want, but Israel is choosing survival over your approval.

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Jun 30 2026 04:52am
At times I rly felt for the Israeli people as well.
But reading you makes it fade away quickly.

Which obviously isn't right. The majority cannot be blamed for its government's actions.

But the content that seems to be widely felt about the atrocious acts committed on a daily basis is extremely worrying and disingenuous.


You are completely missing the nature of conflict. War is not a domestic criminal investigation where you selectively arrest an individual suspect; it is a tragic, national event between two mobilized political entities.
When a society or its government chooses to launch a total war as Hamas and Hezbollah did the entire territory becomes the theater of conflict. The resulting destruction and civilian collateral damage are the horrific, inevitable consequences of urban warfare against an enemy that embeds itself in civilian infrastructure.
It is not 'collective punishment.' Punishment is a judicial concept meant for a courtroom or a prison. In war, targeting the enemy's military capabilities to stop them from murdering your own citizens is basic national survival. You cannot launch a war as a nation, hide your weapons under your civilian population, and then complain that fighting back constitutes a crime

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Jun 30 2026 10:18am
You are trying to turn concrete military reality into a philosophical debate about 'narratives,' but facts aren't a matter of opinion.
First, let's talk about your Supreme Court 'gotcha.' You completely scored an own goal. The fact that Israel’s independent Supreme Court openly investigated, debated, and legally banned soldiers from using the 'neighbor procedure' decades ago is the ultimate proof of a democracy with a rule of law. When individual Israeli soldiers violate that law, they are prosecuted.
Now look at the other side: Hamas and Hezbollah don't have rogue soldiers breaking rules human shielding is their entire official military strategy. They don't have a Supreme Court banning it; they have leadership explicitly telling civilians to stay in the line of fire so their deaths can be used as PR weapons. To equate a democracy that legally bans a practice with a terrorist organization that builds its entire warfare model around it is intellectual dishonesty at its peak.
Second, you say Israel should have tried 'cordial relations.' Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005, tore down every single settlement, and left behind a thriving agricultural infrastructure. The response? Gaza elected Hamas, tore down the greenhouses to build rocket launchers, and fired thousands of missiles at our towns. In Lebanon, Israel withdrew to the internationally recognized border in 2000. The response? Hezbollah built a massive terror fortress on our fence.
We tried 'cordial relations' by retreating to our borders, and we got October 7th and thousands of rockets in return.
You see 'villages being bombed'; we see the concrete launchpads that fired anti-tank missiles into our homes for a year. Israel is invading southern Lebanon because UN Resolution 1701 completely failed to keep Hezbollah away from our border. If a country is attacked unprovoked for a year, it has every right under international law to cross that border and destroy the infrastructure meant to annihilate it. You can call it a 'narrative' all you want, but Israel is choosing survival over your approval.


There are reports that Israel is spraying Southern Lebanon with chemicals in order to ensure that the land itself dies. What is your view on this?
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-10-2026-001225_EN.html

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Jun 30 2026 11:29am
There are reports that Israel is spraying Southern Lebanon with chemicals in order to ensure that the land itself dies. What is your view on this?
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-10-2026-001225_EN.html


You have no idea what your talking about…
Independent monitoring organizations (like PAX for Peace) analyzed the satellite imagery of that area. What does it actually show? A narrow, 7-to-10-meter-wide lane right along the border where herbicides (like standard glyphosate) were sprayed.
Israel isn't 'spraying chemicals to make the land die' the military is clearing dense wild vegetation directly on the border fence to maintain visibility. This is a standard tactical security measure used by militaries worldwide to prevent terrorists from using thick brush to sneak up to the border, plant explosive devices on the fence, or build hidden anti-tank missile launchpads.
You continuously try to frame basic, logical border defense as a comic-book conspiracy to destroy the earth. If Hezbollah hadn't spent years embedding an invasion infrastructure in that exact brush, and firing rockets across that exact fence, border visibility wouldn't be an issue. Once again, you are ignoring the security threat to focus entirely on the measures taken to stop it.
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