Check prism-break.org if you're interested in privacy, some good advice.

Personally I don't bother.

reading those email chains makes it look more like there are a disproportionate mix of conservative programmers compared to silicon valley's ideological uniformity, but HR is there to whip them
then again damore's filing is going to have a disproportionate amount of examples of conservative voices isn't it? But from everyone I've seen and worked with, Google's culture is off the deep end

the better question is it in google's best interest from a business sense to be anti conservative. if their conservative employees dont like it surely they are replaceable by any number of emerging graduates willing to be overworked. its my opinion that google's business aims are diametrically opposed to the conservative ideology's general outlook on technology. while the blacklist and expulsion of such people may be extreme is it worth it to prevent project veritas type infiltration that's possible? will the knowledge of their black list hurt their business more than what the blacklist could in theory prevent? or better yet are they so powerful that openly expelling those they dont like has little to no effect on their business and public appearance. its not as if google can really lose moving forward, failing some type of corporate fraud on an enron level. they can do whatever the fuck they please tbh, and no one can do a damn thing about it. hooks in too deep.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 8 2018 04:41pm

I mean, lets devil's advocate that it is in Google's best interest for profit. It may or may not be, there are solid arguments either way- the present climate or predicting future shifts in national attitudes. But say it is
Then if Google is discriminating against conservatives, discriminating against whites, discriminating against men- the latter two explicitly illegal, the former a state-by-state action and perhaps not illegal, then its still wrong and illegal overall.
Take the clock back to the 1950-60's. Would it be in the best interests of many companies to discriminate against blacks, just out of economic pragmatism? Maybe. But there was a compelling interest in stopping that discrimination, which is what created the equal rights amendment, and then for enforcing it. We had good reason to say that companies can't do whatever the fuck they please, because of the unethical discriminatory effect when an entire class of people are shut out of society. Now for white men that's already codified into law. Should it be for political affiliation on a federal level? California based companies don't have that protection, so he'll have a harder time with his suit, something I'm carrying on in the other thread.
But my point to take away is that if our big faceless corporate giants who control monopolies can be discriminatory, than its in the public interest to regulate them with antidiscrimination laws at a minimum. Either they should be liable for whats already on the books, or new laws should be passed

back to the first point, whether it is in Google's best interests- I'm not so sure. It doesn't pay to be a backwards-minded company if the public swings the other way. Is public opinion really growing for the SJW causes, or are they just growing a backlash? If Google throws in its lot with a losing side, it will suffer in the long run. And that's besides all the pragmatic micro-level economic interests of employee productivity that Damore raised in his memo, that the diversity program itself is a negative

i think you'd have to prove theyre discriminating against conservatives as a group, instead of a group of people who happen to all be conservatives. if conservatives have all spoken about google the same way they are simply reacting to a group that shot first. i dont think there's a very strong legal case either way, but i have been proven wrong by theil before in the gawker ungodly settlement. its no secret that google has been a rallying point for the far right for some time with anecdotal stories being tossed around like they're typical and existential crises.


as to is google on "the right side of history" moving forward, yes. unequivocally yes. lets say america decides to dumb up and go away from the convenience that is technology (read: algorithms) for personal privacy. Europe stands ready to pivot to as well as many other nations with much less personal moral compasses. whether they can continue to do business they way they want to here is a question i cant conclusively say, but given the youth's differing opinions on personal privacy from gen x and gen y moving forward they will imo only gain more control at a faster growing rate. them moving into adjacent fields to snatch up market control there for eventually merging industries is another move that cements their success and prevents knocking them off.

i think google, despite being an echochamber politically, is set to succeed for the next 50+ years at astounding rates. and if they cant make that success here (rare chance imo that would require some typifying event i cant fully conceptualize) that just means someone else will be more successful, and less free to live private lives.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 8 2018 05:17pm

bundy family charges dropped

Regarding discrimination and bias.

What we can definitively see a trend over the past 50 years. In the 1960s, a majority of republicans trusted the press. After watergate, that number fell to about 50%. It stabilized there for a long time until the press turned against the Iraq Invasion in 2003, then it fell into the 30% range and never really recovered. Then in 2016, the number collapsed. Be it because of BLM, or identity politics, or whatever, by 2016, effectively zero republicans trust media.

So what we have seen over the last 50 years is a complete erosion of trust of media by republicans. Meanwhile, the percentage of republicans who perceive there is racism against whites is growing.

Now were seeing these trends materialize in the form of the creation of the alt right, in angry fan reaction to NFL protests, in google fetting sued for discrimination against whites, etc. the claim that google is on the “right” side of history is a bit dubious, especially as the long term trends begin to come to a head post 2016.

Were past the need to “prove” discrimination against whites. Its just a case where when enough people believe it exists then it becomes a major issue.

The thing to remember is that this is no longer 1965 and its not even 2000 anymore. In our world, the entire republican party distrusts the media and a growing number them feel there is racism vs whites. These things werent true 2 decades ago.

I think the approach that will used to soothe racial tension will be to debate and attempt to re-educate, but these are tools that have already been used for the past 50 years and they all failed spectacularly so i think they will just fail more. What needs to be done is reform and i think that solution will be avoided. So things are going to get a LOT worse.

This post was edited by Kuggergug on Jan 10 2018 06:33am

You could say that America is not even close to the same nation it was in 2015. In 2015, 30% of republicans trust the media. Today its zero. Thats a huge shift. Political instincts developed before 2016 are obsolete.

Id summarize the last 50 years or us political history as where the media moved far to the left but the voters have probably moved slightly right overall and the result is trust in the media is ruined. Voters did move left on religion and gay marriage but they also made huge moves to the right on labor unions, taxes, and big government.