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Jun 24 2026 08:50am
A couple of points:

1. The New York Times and Reuters have written articles which highlighted that Israel used Palestinian prisoners as human shields. According to investigations, Israeli soldiers and intelligence agents frequently compelled Palestinian detainees to undertake life-threatening missions.
2. As has been discussed repeatedly in this thread, Israel's position is that it wants to defeat Hamas, or Hezbollah (or both). Noting both organisations are embedded into the respective communities, Israel has been carrying out military action, which has in effect flattened parts of Gaza and Lebanon, which has resulted in a massive loss of civilian life. Donald Trump has also highlighted that the Israeli approach kills far too many civilians and that a more tactical approach is optimal for a variety of reasons.

This is an old argument, I accept you won't change your position, the counter weight is that users simply won't agree with your position, or commentary. If someone says:

"Not bombing women and children" this response: "Thats not option thats consequences of using their population as human shields but nice dodge" is not optimal. I am not lecturing, I am merely saying your counter argument is weak. no offence intended here.
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You are conflating two entirely different scales of action to draw a completely false moral equivalence, Ferida.
First, on the NYT/Reuters allegations: If individual soldiers or units breached protocol, those cases are investigated and handled under Israeli military law because we have a judicial system. But comparing isolated tactical field incidents to the state-mandated strategy of Hamas and Hezbollah is a joke. Hamas didn’t just 'embed' into communities; they explicitly built hundreds of miles of military tunnels beneath civilian living rooms, hospitals, and schools with the deliberate, top-down strategy of using their entire population to shield their arsenal.
Second, you mention Donald Trump talking about a 'more tactical approach.' No one disputes that urban warfare in one of the most densely populated, booby-trapped environments on earth causes catastrophic destruction. But neither Trump nor anyone else has ever provided a magical alternative for how you defeat an army of 40,000 embedded terrorists without destroying the civilian infrastructure they transformed into military outposts.
When a terrorist fires a rocket from a school or a bedroom window, that civilian structure legally becomes a military target under international law. Pointing out that civilian deaths are the direct consequence of human shielding isn't a 'weak argument' it is the literal definition of urban warfare against a death cult. You can call it un-optimal, but we don't have the luxury of fighting a theoretical war from a keyboard

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Jun 24 2026 09:06am


Not bombing women and children.


Thats not option thats consequences of using their population as human shields but nice dodge


1. You asked a question
2. You were provided with a response
3. You denied the response and deflected
4. I highlighted that your deflection was weak as it did not address the response properly
5. You then went down a rabbit hole, not addressing the original response

i.e. Your main Ally, The United States, has told Israel, that there is something wrong with your strategy. As was said before, if there is a terrorist holding a bus full of school children hostage, the idea that blowing up the entire bus is acceptable, is not acceptable outside of Israel.

this analogy, and the response you were provided, were verbatim said previously by users (not me) in this thread.

Blanket bombing in Gaza and Lebanon is problematic.

See also: https://www.un.org/unispal/document/coi-report-23jun26/ - problematic.

All of that, is problematic. You have repeatedly dismissed the UN, and its reports on Israel, Gaza and the West Bank. I understand your position but your arguments against the UN are simply not sound, because Israel IS a member of the UN.

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Jun 24 2026 10:21am
Not bombing women and children.


you think its just bombing?


this is a quote from the UNC commission on the active genocide


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In one example investigated by the Commission, between 20 and 21 December
2023, in Sheikh Radwan, Israeli soldiers threw four hand grenades inside a house with 30
family members without any warning, severely injuring a five-year-old boy who suffered
from multiple injuries including abdominal evisceration. The Israeli security forces then
forcibly entered the house, shot and killed eight family members, including the parents,
and ordered the survivors to evacuate to a nearby school. The Israeli security forces did
not provide any medical assistance to the injured or assist with their evacuation. The boy
was carried from the house to the school with severe injuries. He lost consciousness at the
school, while he was treated by a doctor who reinserted his exposed intestines by using
diapers and taped his stomach. He was taken to the Al-Shifa Hospital where he underwent
surgery alone. Later, the boy was medically evacuated out of Gaza and underwent eight
surgeries, while three more were still needed, as of December 2025. The boy has been left
with a permanent disability in one of his legs and has to use a wheelchair. The boy and his
surviving six-year-old brother suffer from severe mental harm and behavioural change as
a result of this incident, in particular since they witnessed the brutal shooting of their
parents by the Israeli security forces, including their pregnant mother shot in the abdomen
and breasts and father in the head (see para. 244 in the Section (V). Mental harm against
Palestinian children by Israel). The Commission finds that Israeli soldiers of the 162nd
Division, specifically the 401st Brigade and Shayetet 13, were operating in the area at the
time of this incident.



https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session62/a-hrc-62-crp-2.pdf
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Jun 24 2026 10:22am
the IDF is sniping breastfeeding babies in broad daylight


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Injuring of a 10-day-old baby by quadcopter inside the tent in Nuseirat camp
59. On 12 April 2024 at 13:00, a 10 day-old-baby boy was shot by a quadcopter while
being breastfed by his mother inside their tent in Nuseirat camp. The mother was alone in
the tent, breastfeeding her baby, when a single bullet from a quadcopter hit the baby in the
head and exited through the back of his head, hitting the pillow behind her. The baby
survived but sustained brain injuries and now suffers from seizures.


60. The Commission viewed and analysed images of the bullet that hit the baby. The
Commission concluded on reasonable grounds that the bullet was fired from a sniper rifle
mounted on a quadcopter. Considering that the shooting occurred in broad daylight, the
Commission concludes that the quadcopter controller would have been able to see inside
the tent and assesses that the target was a mother and a baby.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvvGbzR2Xek


Internet best take a backup of that video and Andrew might want to go in hiding.
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