What did you toss on your kippah and all of a sudden you get an opinion but everyone else doesn't? What a change of events.

Open question to everyone of you. Do you agree that Israel should respond? If yes, how?



Who's preventing you from sharing an opinion lol? Same question to you, as above.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 13 2023 05:51pm

I mean they already have responded in kind, havent they? I've always been in the ceasefire camp , whatever response involves the least amount of civilian casualties on both sides is probably the best.

I do know that indiscriminate bombings and doubling back on promises is only going to radicalize more Palestinians and make the situation worse than it is

"Lmfao leftists stormfront all united in hating the Jews and telling Jews how they have to respond to having their civilians massacred. What a time"

What? You just said everyone's telling Jews how to respond and decided to laugh your fucking ass off, per your own words as in people are not entitled to talk unless they're Jewish and now you're also calling for everyone to reiterate everything.

If you're going to post stupid stuff at least go read because I know you haven't since you already said you didn't.

It's like I have said before, but nobody seems to take my suggestion seriously: Israel should take the massive aid it receives from the West, save it for a couple of years, and then buy a small un-populated island, and re-settle their people there. Kind of hard to die to terrorists when there are none around you. In fact, if Israel asked the western powers now, they could probably get a sum that would accomplish this with enough left over to take very good care of its citizens for many years. The West wants peace just as much as Israel does.

And I know, that area is their ancestral land, it's holy to them, and holds special significance to them, so I understand that they would be reluctant to leave. But they need to be realistic. As long as there are Israelis and Palestinians living in the same area, there will be Hamas and there will be bloodshed. And unless they are willing to commit outright genocide, I honestly don't see terrorism and atrocities stopping, ever. So they need to ask themselves, which is more important, being able to live in peace and not having to worry about being attacked ruthlessly by terrorists, or hanging onto the the land that their ancestors used to live on? I think I know which one I would pick.

The political spectrum in this thread has shifted where everything centrist is now “nazi scum liberal”. Every humanitarian conversation or effort is seen as “nazi”. It’s been overused so it’s easy to ignore however there is some irony here

Facts are There are idiotic college protests saying end Israel support. On the opposite end of the spectrum is bomb and destroy everything. The bomb everything to hell including children women hospitals circle jerk faction is loud and clear here.

There is not one post that I’ve seen , yes there are a hundred pages so I might have missed one, that has echoed the toxic left echo chamber found elsewhere on the internet or social media. Nobody is calling for an end to Israel aid. In fact almost everyone is agreeing to increase aid to whatever number is necessary

There are quite a few posts from educated individuals wondering how to accomplish wiping out Hamas while limiting civilian casualties, according to you and the mentally handicapped spam bots - they are liberal nazis

The world isn’t as simple as black and white, “camps”. I can be pro Israel and also be pro humanitarian at the same time. The fact that you and others are unable to recognize this is becoming mind numbing

This post was edited by Bazi on Oct 13 2023 05:58pm

Yes. Two state solution that doesn’t screw the Palestinians + right of return, or compensatory program in place of right of return to help facilitate emigration to another place. Could have been done a long time ago

*I will add that Germany paid billions of dollars in restitution to the families of Holocaust victims. Food for thought as far as what the Israelis might consider doing for the Palestinians.

This post was edited by AleKsRoBerto on Oct 13 2023 06:03pm

Yes.

I'm not sure specifics, but I think it important to identify core values to establish a foundation upon which specifics can be figured out. Those that come to mind would be for the acute situation:

1. Every reasonable effort should be made to diminish the amount of civilian causalities. While I sympathize with the desire to not give Hamas and their supporters more time to plan attacks/boobytrap the area, 24 hours to evacuate 1 million+ people is untenable and aid organizations and hospitals in Gaza have raised concerns. Some of these concerns have been met by Israel in the form of an extension (ie. Israel gave more time for the hospital to evacuate).

2. Every reasonable effort should be made to diminish the amount of civilian suffering (ie. I don't see myself currently agreeing with the decision to cut off water and electricity, although I can sympathize with the desire to do so).

3. Internal messaging within Israel should be on the distinction between Palestinian people and Hamas.

4. Israel needs to be honest about what the plan is for Gaza. Are they going to capture it? Level it? Establish a DMZ buffer after trying to weed Hamas out of the region?

5. Personally, I'd prefer to see an international/UN response rather than Israel making unilateral decisions. Israel is in a state of rage, and decisions are likely to be hasty as a result.

6. Long term: A genuine two-state solution will be needed. Israel needs to stop illegal settlements and correct the ones already made. Palestine needs to cleanse its society of Hamas, have a democratic election, and needs to eradicate the anti-Semitism from their people.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Oct 13 2023 06:02pm

Would you like

A. Humanitarian Approach

Or

B. Effective Approach

I think he's saying that it's difficult for Israel to do this, without incurring huge losses.