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Israel agreed to a ceasefire with Hezbollah. You say that Israel had no intention of abiding by this ceasefire. And yet it was Hezbollah who violated the ceasefire and shot first. You have no basis to claim Israel was going to keep firing in violation of the ceasefire, beyond just impugning Israel's motives. We can plainly see Hezbollah had no intention of abiding by the ceasefire, because they didn't. I don't understand how this is complicated or requires any elaboration.

Lets say we have two kids fighting at a school, Alice and Bob
Alice and Bob agree not to hit each other. Bob then punches Alice. You show up and say Alice never had any intention of not hitting Bob, and therefore the agreement never mattered, it was just some random scribbles. You claim that Alice is inherently incapable of agreeing to peace and nothing she says under any circumstances can be trusted. This comes after a long history of Alice and Bob getting into fights, in which virtually all of them, Bob is the aggressor party who violates their ceasefire and attacks Bob, including raining mortars on Alice after Charlie invaded her home and raped her. Hmm these examples getting off track


We don't even have territorial issues with Lebanon, so what is the actual point of these constant rocket attacks against Israel?


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We don't even have territorial issues with Lebanon, so what is the actual point of these constant rocket attacks against Israel?


you do now.
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Jun 22 2026 03:15am
you do now.


Yea but than why they attacked in the first place?
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Jun 22 2026 03:20am
Yea but than why they attacked in the first place?


Israel attacked iran. They responded
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Jun 22 2026 03:27am
Well, I guess we will never know if the Israelis would have held up the Israel/Hezbollah ceasefire if Hezbollah hadn't broken it.


OK, I made some time to respond to this. Let's look at the week leading up to the "broken" deal.

On Friday, June 12, Israel continued its war on Lebanon—troops, tanks, rockets, shells, and F-35s pouring in. There is no accurate total for Lebanese dead or wounded, but it was widely reported that Israel used white phosphorus munitions on towns and villages. This is scorched-earth policy: killing people and killing the land itself.

On Saturday, June 13, Israel carried out multiple airstrikes across Lebanon, causing widespread terror—well documented.

On Sunday, June 14, Israel hit Beirut again—the second time in a week—while continuing to rain liquid fire down on towns and villages in the south.

Monday, June 15 saw a lull in intensity with the announcement of an impending U.S.-Iran ceasefire. However, Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz stated that Israeli troops would remain "indefinitely" in security zones in Lebanon and would clear them of residents and Hezbollah infrastructure—scorched-earth policy: burn everything. There are multiple reports of drone strikes against civilian targets. The cumulative Lebanese death toll from hostilities between March 2 and June 16 had reached 3,826, with 11,851 wounded.

On Wednesday, June 17, airstrikes rained down on Lebanon.

On Thursday, June 18, the IDF published a new map drawing a clear line around an expanded military control zone extending several kilometers deeper into Lebanon. This map formally confirmed the expansion of territory under Israeli military control that had been taking place on the ground for weeks. Its release was a strong statement that Israel intended to maintain a military footprint in Lebanon for the foreseeable future, directly challenging the terms of the U.S.-Iran interim pact signed just the day before. That pact called for the "immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon" and a guarantee of Lebanon's "territorial integrity and sovereignty." By staking out this expanded control zone on paper, Israel signaled its rejection of calls to withdraw from the territory it had seized.

The timing was politically charged, coming ahead of scheduled U.S.-mediated talks between Israel and Lebanon in Washington the following week. Retired Israeli military intelligence officer Danny Citrinowicz described the move as Israel effectively saying, "we're going to stay here, this is our place, we're not going to withdraw from here." Furthermore, an Israeli military official stated that forces "will continue to remove threats... identified beyond the security zone," implying Israel was prepared to carry out attacks even deeper into Lebanon.

So with all that said, you and your friends can say Hezbollah broke the deal all you want. But people reading this thread with an open mind will be able to join the dots.
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Jun 22 2026 03:37am
Israel attacked iran. They responded


But they attacked on October 8th 2023 are you trying to rewrite history?
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OK, I made some time to respond to this. Let's look at the week leading up to the "broken" deal.

On Friday, June 12, Israel continued its war on Lebanon—troops, tanks, rockets, shells, and F-35s pouring in. There is no accurate total for Lebanese dead or wounded, but it was widely reported that Israel used white phosphorus munitions on towns and villages. This is scorched-earth policy: killing people and killing the land itself.

On Saturday, June 13, Israel carried out multiple airstrikes across Lebanon, causing widespread terror—well documented.

On Sunday, June 14, Israel hit Beirut again—the second time in a week—while continuing to rain liquid fire down on towns and villages in the south.

Monday, June 15 saw a lull in intensity with the announcement of an impending U.S.-Iran ceasefire. However, Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz stated that Israeli troops would remain "indefinitely" in security zones in Lebanon and would clear them of residents and Hezbollah infrastructure—scorched-earth policy: burn everything. There are multiple reports of drone strikes against civilian targets. The cumulative Lebanese death toll from hostilities between March 2 and June 16 had reached 3,826, with 11,851 wounded.

On Wednesday, June 17, airstrikes rained down on Lebanon.

On Thursday, June 18, the IDF published a new map drawing a clear line around an expanded military control zone extending several kilometers deeper into Lebanon. This map formally confirmed the expansion of territory under Israeli military control that had been taking place on the ground for weeks. Its release was a strong statement that Israel intended to maintain a military footprint in Lebanon for the foreseeable future, directly challenging the terms of the U.S.-Iran interim pact signed just the day before. That pact called for the "immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon" and a guarantee of Lebanon's "territorial integrity and sovereignty." By staking out this expanded control zone on paper, Israel signaled its rejection of calls to withdraw from the territory it had seized.

The timing was politically charged, coming ahead of scheduled U.S.-mediated talks between Israel and Lebanon in Washington the following week. Retired Israeli military intelligence officer Danny Citrinowicz described the move as Israel effectively saying, "we're going to stay here, this is our place, we're not going to withdraw from here." Furthermore, an Israeli military official stated that forces "will continue to remove threats... identified beyond the security zone," implying Israel was prepared to carry out attacks even deeper into Lebanon.

So with all that said, you and your friends can say Hezbollah broke the deal all you want. But people reading this thread with an open mind will be able to join the dots.


Israel this Israel that… what are dead soldiers died from?
Hezbollah attacked on October 8th… why?
Just a correction Israel use white phosphorus as smoke cover.
Glad to help🙏

This post was edited by Many_Names on Jun 22 2026 03:39am
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Israel this Israel that… what are dead soldiers died from?
Hezbollah attacked on October 8th… why?
Just a correction Israel use white phosphorus as smoke cover.
Glad to help🙏


to clarify: I was challenging another user, who made a problematic statement. i tailor my responses to the user(s), please do not be offended by my friendly fire. Taking a step back, you and I already discussed Israel and Lebanon, where Israel wants a total victory. I am not arguing against this total victory. I am arguing that this notion that Israel was going to abide by a cease fire (and withdraw from Lebanon) is simply far fetched and departed from reality. The Pro Israeli users posting about the conflict do not seem to understand that they can defend Israel's quest for total victory while highlighting that the US-Iran deal should never have taken place without Israel, and, Without Israel included there is no reason for Israel to abide by a ceasefire. The train of events (above) show that Israel was not going to abide by the ceasefire.

This is why I can read users posting about "Hezbollah attacked first" but there is no reason for me to accept that this occurred or is why Israel has not stuck to the ceasefire, because Israel has stated goals, which they restated the day before the ceasefire, which conflicts with the ceasefire. TLDR: If someone says the sky is green, it is not up to me to change their mind, all I can do is say the sky is actually blue.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 22 2026 03:51am
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to clarify: I was challenging another user, who made a problematic statement. i tailor my responses to the user(s), please do not be offended by my friendly fire. Taking a step back, you and I already discussed Israel and Lebanon, where Israel wants a total victory. I am not arguing against this total victory. I am arguing that this notion that Israel was going to abide by a cease fire (and withdraw from Lebanon) is simply far fetched and departed from reality. The Pro Israeli users posting about the conflict do not seem to understand that they can defend Israel's quest for total victory while highlighting that the US-Iran deal should never have taken place without Israel, and, Without Israel included there is no reason for Israel to abide by a ceasefire. The train of events (above) show that Israel was not going to abide by the ceasefire.

This is why I can read users posting about "Hezbollah attacked first" but there is no reason for me to accept that this is why Israel has not stuck to the ceasefire, because Israel has stated goals, which they restated the day before the ceasefire, which conflicts with the ceasefire. TLDR: If someone says the sky is green, it is not up to me to change their mind, all I can do is say the sky is actually blue.


Take a step back for a minute and tell me: what is the entire point of Hezbollah? There is no territorial conflict in Lebanon, so what is the point?
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Jun 22 2026 04:03am
Take a step back for a minute and tell me: what is the entire point of Hezbollah? There is no territorial conflict in Lebanon, so what is the point?


The entire point of Hezbollah is to function as an armed resistance movement against Israel, or in layman’s terms, a terrorist organisation. It was established with Iranian support and continues to receive significant backing from Iran. Hezbollah's stated purpose is resisting Israel and defending Lebanon, though it must be acknowledged that Iran uses it to serve their Regional interests - i.e. to limit Israeli regional influence (and to attack Israel for historic and current grievances). As for territory, the situation is more complicated. Hezbollah's conflict with Israel has historically involved disputes over border areas and security issues. Now that Israel has military forces operating in parts of Lebanon and has published maps of its positions, the territorial aspect of the conflict has become a new frontier.

TLDR: It is a terror group created to terrorise Israel for historic (and current) reasons. There are territorial conflicts and these are likely to lead to serious problems in the future.

Ignoring the recent territorial developments, I have said all this before, nothing new there from me. Hezbollah, like the IRA, are not the good guys. At the same time, Neither were the British (and neither are the Israeli's). As everyone and their mother has said: THIS IS A COMPLEX ISSUE.

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