Again, it has NOTHING to do with classifying/declassifying documents and it has everything to do with national defense. If you stick to the discussion of national defense, you don't have to worry about the limitations (or lack thereof) of plenary powers.

Lol.

Democrats imho dodged a bullet because Repubs nominated so many weak candidate for key Senate races. Walker/Oz/Masters/Bolduc might well blow 3 out of 4 races that the GOP should have won in an environment with inflation at above 8% and Biden's net approval ratings below -10%... Similarly, Vance being unable to hold the Ohio seat in such an environment without millions in spending by national donors and pacs is a colossal failure.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 26 2022 05:51pm

Showing that Trump had actual criminal intent is going to be kind of hard here, given he fully cooperated, never tried to hide anything, was completely open about having these documents, allowed them to be inspected. Trump probably didn't even realize what all he had, which would make sense given he doesn't run a very organized operation. Proving his criminal intent here is going to be something like 5000% harder than it would have been with Hillary Clinton. Not to mention any ambiguity at all about Trump's authority to declassify turns into him being not guilty. Why? Because in any criminal prosecution the standard is beyond a reasonable doubt. That means any even remotely plausible story, deniability, or just stupidity could easily result in Trump walking. So all the FBI is actually doing is royally pissing off the right. The odds of Trump getting convicted of anything here is next to zero.

The incompetence and stupidity of Trump having these documents, is only superseded by the FBI attempting to go after Trump criminally for these documents. All the FBI is going to accomplish is royally pissing off the right. So either this is some kind of 3d chess by left wing ideologs in the FBI to get Trump to run, because that is who the left wants to run, or this is just complete blind incompetence.

These documents should have just been subpoenaed, they should have approached this from a process of reclaiming the documents only, Trump could have been politically embarrassed for still having these documents, and made to look like a total hypocrite when he went after Hillary for basically the same thing. But in a master stroke of incompetence, some moron at the FBI decided to escalate this to a criminal investigation, flipping this over and making the FBI look like the hypocrite by going after Trump for the same thing that they excused Hillary on.

This is like watching two of the worst chess players on the planet make the most inept moves, only outdone by the even more inept move of their opponent. It is hard to predict who will win/lose when both sides are so utterly incompetent.

Lol

This post was edited by FantasyWorldII on Aug 26 2022 06:11pm

Do they even need to show criminal intent if the act of possessing these documents was already breaking the law by itself?

Insofar as the legal case at hand, tcock has a point. The sections of US Code that were cited in the affidavit and warrant require NO classification of the documents in question. The law states that if the information within could be reasonably determined to cause potential harm to the national defense of the United States, or could benefit a foreign nation or adversary, then merely possessing that information without authorization is illegal, and due to the law TFG signed in 2018, it's a felony. He could declassify to his heart's content and it wouldn't affect the underlying content of the documents.

I think they do for the obstruction charge in the search warrant, for the others, I don't think so. For Trump as a former president though, I doubt they would charge him if it was an accident. If you or I or anyone on this forum had these documents at home we'd already be in jail.

watch these “documents” end up being a ‘nuclear strategy to nuke a hurricane’

interns had full control of clinton, bush was an inept controlled by warmongers, weinstein had obama’s kid in his employ, biden has been bought and paid for for decades, but some random “document” is the end all.

Trump is not covering himself in glory lately but the lack of clarity is silly. They want to nail him what’s the delay? Politics? They got rid of Nixon right quick over much less than what is accused