d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > October Invasion Of Israel
Prev1163316341635
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 17,970
Joined: Dec 3 2006
Gold: 0.00
Jun 5 2026 04:18am
In effect the last 2 years can be summed up as "mowing the lawn". They are not addressing the root issue.
my point is every two week i have to mow my lawn, ergo what we have seen, we will see again. So to follow that train of thought, if ppl are pissed with Israel now, they will be really pissed in a few years time when they do it all over again.


You're completely misreading the strategy. 'Mowing the lawn' is exactly what Israel did for twenty years before October 7th, and it’s the exact strategy I am arguing against.
'Mowing the lawn' meant hitting Hamas, leaving Gaza completely, sitting back behind a wall, and letting them import thousands of Iranian rockets until the grass grew so high it hid a terrorist army.
The new model isn't mowing the lawn; it's pouring concrete over the root system. By holding permanent security control of the borders, airspace, and intelligence, Israel ensures Hamas can never rebuild its military infrastructure in the first place. There won't be a need to do this 'all over again' in a few years because the IDF won't be waiting for a massive threat to develop before stepping in.
If people are pissed that Israel is permanently securing its borders to prevent another mass slaughter, that’s their problem. Survival trumps international popularity every single time.
Member
Posts: 17,970
Joined: Dec 3 2006
Gold: 0.00
Jun 5 2026 04:22am
An olive branch, or almost anything other then what they plan for Gaza (and the West Bank).


An olive branch? We handed them an entire olive grove in 2005 when we pulled every single soldier and civilian out of the Gaza Strip, tore down our settlements, and left them with a thriving greenhouse infrastructure. They turned around, smashed the greenhouses, elected Hamas, and used that freedom to turn Gaza into a launchpad for tens of thousands of rockets and a cross-border massacre.
Just for some context, here are some news stories from around the word today:

1. A Palestinian family was burned alive as they slept in their beds when Israel attacked Gaza City in the middle of the night (4th June 2026)
2. The United Arab Emirates mission at the UN has expressed “strong condemnation” of continued illegal settlement activity in the occupied West Bank, forced displacement of Palestinians from their land, and repeated incursions by Israeli settlers into Al-Aqsa Mosque under the protection of Israeli armed forces.
3. Israel has continued to carry out deadly attacks across Lebanon despite the announcement of a new US-brokered ceasefire agreement reached by Lebanese and Israeli officials in Washington, DC.
4. The Israeli military has issued forced displacement warnings for Aarnaya, Aanqoun and Kfar Kila, three villages and towns in southern Lebanon.
5. A UN General Assembly (UNGA) committee on Palestinian rights has condemned Israel’s threats to forcibly displace the Palestinian community of Khan al-Ahmar, located to the east of occupied East Jerusalem.
6. Block the bombs: Support grows for US bill to restrict arms for Israel

There is nothing here or related to Gaza which suggests a brighter tomorrow for Israel (or for Palestinians).


This is just a list of raw, day-to-day headlines from the middle of a massive, multi-front war. Nobody said the process of dismantling a multi billion dollar terror infrastructure backed by Iran was going to look clean or peaceful on the nightly news. War is ugly, chaotic, and tragic.
But you are misreading the data. Strikes in Lebanon, tracking down cells in the West Bank, and pushing through Gaza are happening precisely because Israel is finally refusing to live under the threat of sudden annihilation. The 'brighter tomorrow' isn't going to be handed to us by a UN committee or a polite headline; it has to be forged by physically removing the actors who spent decades making a peaceful tomorrow impossible.
If your definition of a viable plan requires it to be conflict free and universally loved by the international community while it's happening, then no plan will ever work. But if the goal is survival and ensuring that October 7th can never happen again, the current operational pressure is the only path that actually gets us there.
Member
Posts: 56,241
Joined: Jan 19 2007
Gold: 584,571.66
Jun 5 2026 04:51am
You're completely misreading the strategy. 'Mowing the lawn' is exactly what Israel did for twenty years before October 7th, and it’s the exact strategy I am arguing against.
'Mowing the lawn' meant hitting Hamas, leaving Gaza completely, sitting back behind a wall, and letting them import thousands of Iranian rockets until the grass grew so high it hid a terrorist army.
The new model isn't mowing the lawn; it's pouring concrete over the root system. By holding permanent security control of the borders, airspace, and intelligence, Israel ensures Hamas can never rebuild its military infrastructure in the first place. There won't be a need to do this 'all over again' in a few years because the IDF won't be waiting for a massive threat to develop before stepping in.
If people are pissed that Israel is permanently securing its borders to prevent another mass slaughter, that’s their problem. Survival trumps international popularity every single time.


Israel can destroy Hamas as a military organization, can control the borders, can control the airspace, and can supervise reconstruction. BUT in this scenario Gaza is still effectively occupied, with restricted movement and Palestinians lacking meaningful control over their own lives, living under constant insecurity about when the next strike or operation will occur. While Israel may view this as a military necessity, the underlying issue persists. My version of Israeli success is a political environment in which violent resistance loses its social and political appeal in Gaza. Viewing Gaza as a military objective rather then a political objective, is the issue. i.e. Military objectives and success will not equate to lasting peace, in my opinion. I am not saying all these strikes are wrong, I am saying there is a time for taking up weapons and military strikes, and there is a time to really think about the situation properly. Israel is not doing the latter.

What I am saying here is that Israel is growing a tree in their back garden, the same they always have, and the tree will grow too big and need to be trimmed. My opinion is that Israel needs to plant a new plant that is not going to damage the house.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 5 2026 04:59am
Member
Posts: 17,970
Joined: Dec 3 2006
Gold: 0.00
Jun 5 2026 05:35am
Israel can destroy Hamas as a military organization, can control the borders, can control the airspace, and can supervise reconstruction. BUT in this scenario Gaza is still effectively occupied, with restricted movement and Palestinians lacking meaningful control over their own lives, living under constant insecurity about when the next strike or operation will occur. While Israel may view this as a military necessity, the underlying issue persists. My version of Israeli success is a political environment in which violent resistance loses its social and political appeal in Gaza. Viewing Gaza as a military objective rather then a political objective, is the issue. i.e. Military objectives and success will not equate to lasting peace, in my opinion. I am not saying all these strikes are wrong, I am saying there is a time for taking up weapons and military strikes, and there is a time to really think about the situation properly. Israel is not doing the latter.

What I am saying here is that Israel is growing a tree in their back garden, the same they always have, and the tree will grow too big and need to be trimmed. My opinion is that Israel needs to plant a new plant that is not going to damage the house.


You are talking about changing hearts and minds so violent resistance loses its appeal. That sounds great in theory, but you are putting the cart before the horse.
You can't plant a 'new plant' in a garden that is actively being used as a minefield. As long as Hamas or any other radical faction has the military capability to shoot anyone who disagrees with them, no moderate political alternative will ever be allowed to grow. De-radicalization only happens after the radical power structure is completely broken and stripped of its weapons. Look at post-WWII Germany or Japan the Allies didn't wait for the population to lose its fanaticism before implementing total security control; the security control is what created the safe space for a new political reality to actually take root over decades.
Nobody is saying military action alone creates a magical, lasting peace. But military dominance is what buys the time and space to find out if a political solution is even possible. Expecting Israel to risk its own survival on a political experiment before securing its borders is just completely disconnected from the reality of the Middle East.
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1163316341635
Add Reply New Topic New Poll