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Jan 17 2018 03:10pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 17 2018 03:48pm)
fair enough, but if the mainstream media openly gives up any neutrality and journalistic standards when it comes to spinning a story against trump, they necessarily forfeit any "moral high ground" as well.


I don't think it's about moral high ground, it's about credibility and truthfulness. I think the media does a good job getting the facts right, but they probably spend too much time covering Trump's nonsense, and sometimes they miss the mark completely(like calling Trump a racist for the shitholes comment). They also don't cover Trump's success in a fair way. It's tough though, because you don't want to normalize his unpresidential behavior.

But that's not an issue of the news being fake, it's the news being biased and/or amplified to an inappropriate extent.

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Jan 17 2018 03:22pm
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Lawl.

The semantics played out on the other side with the wiretapping thing. Trump's tweets made no sense, and still make no sense. How is Obama a bad(or sick) guy because the FBI intercepted members of the Trump campaign talking to foreigners? Clearly it showed Trump's ignorance with how these things worked, something he could've learned just by picking up a phone, but he's erratic.


How much did Trump know? What slowly, and I must emphasize slowly, trickled out over the course of 2017 was that Trump's campaign manager and other officials were wiretapped, probably at Trump tower, that it was authorized by Obama administration officials using intel created by DNC/Obama/Hillary funded oppo as part of the justification, and then that this intel was unmasked and weaponized to bring down Michael Flynn. You can't act like the FISA wiretaps were proper or quarantined from political machinations when the leaks were what brought down Flynn in the first place, exposing him in a lie he could have safely told without being exposed by anything less than wiretaps. Not necessarily exploited for political gain during the campaign, that shoe hasn't dropped, not yet anyway. But that's quite the far cry from a year ago when the media was acting as if Trump was off his rocker for the mere suggestion that 'Obama wiretapped him'. Given what we know now, its quite probably that Obama was indeed involved in that decision making process, something that politically volatile and high profile during a campaign? We've seen how little insulation there actually was between the wiretapping and political intrigue.
For Trump to stretch that into 'Obama wiretapped me', perhaps thats not accurate, perhaps it is, but either way they weren't tweets that "make no sense, and still make no sense". They were tweets that made no sense, and now do make sense, based on what we know now.

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It's true that Obama was a media darling when he started the presidency... but Obama wasn't erratic, he was eloquent and thoughtful, and he didn't have a press team covering for his nonsense every day. Trump through the campaign and presidency has controlled the coverage by consistently doing or saying ridiculous things. It's not anti-Trump to cover that.


I don't think Dick Ridin' Obama ever came to a stop. I've been happy to point out my criticism and praise alike of his pragmatic authoritarianism and obama doctrine since the start of his second term or so, but as far as the media and pop culture goes, rainbows have shined out of his ass and he was the promised child. The only media that ever gave Obama a beating for his opaqueness and betrayal of 'transparency' or other cynical streaks or failures like obamacare and the arab spring... was Fox News and other conservative hacks who were going to find something to wield as a bludgeon against him anyway. And they'd go after him for buying arugula lettuce at whole foods if nothing else cropped up.

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But again, the media is anti-Trump to some degree. People have to separate the infotainment from the actual journalists though. Yes, Don Lemon is rabidly anti-Trump. So is Morning Joe. CNN's coverage is pretty bad a lot of the time. NYT/WaPo do a great job covering the White House.


The problem is that foaming at the mouth rabid anti-trumpers are the norm in the media right now. Its not one or two exceptions, its the mainstream, hence his mutual brawl with them, which of course only feeds the resentment on both sides. NYT and WaPo have daggers for Trump and are virulently biased, that's no secret, and a few notable missteps along the way in terms of publishing fake news. I think its remarkable the lengths americans would have to go if they actually want to get unbiased news in this day and age. When all the mainstream networks have taken partisan sides, or at least, everyone but Fox against Trump and Fox shilling away happily, I have to turn to something like BBC or PBS that simply doesn't have enough stake to bother. And even PBS has got a rotten streak of bringing in journalists from those other MSM networks as guest talking heads. But lord knows the right-wing biased niche sites are just as bad or worse. TheHill is at least in the middle, insofar as its more a contested battleground between bitter rivals that both post opinion columns dressed up as news.

But all the well deserved excoriation and pillorying the media deserves for its nonsense, I don't have any expectation the big orange clown will deliver it today. Just honk his nose at them again.
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Jan 17 2018 06:46pm


Exclusive: Trump considers big 'fine' over China intellectual property theft

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-trade-exclusive/exclusive-trump-considers-big-fine-over-china-intellectual-property-theft-idUSKBN1F62SR


Looks like Trump was serious about trying to fix the trade deficit with China.
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Jan 17 2018 07:22pm
so uh... what are the fake news winners? He tweeted a link to gop.com, which instantly hugged them to death
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Jan 17 2018 07:38pm
Took a few minutes to load the google cache which was itself hugged to death. I'll transcribe

#1: NYT's Krugman claims on election day that the economy would never recover from Trump (<--- this is not 'fake news, donald', its an opinion/prediction/editorial. Albeit a profoundly wrong one)
#2: Brian Ross's false report on flynn testifying about being instruction to meet with russians in campaign instead of after the election (actual fake news)
#3: CNN's false report that the Trump campaign was given early access to wikileaks documents (actual fake news)
#4: TIME false report that Trump removed the MLK bust from the oval office (actual fake news)
#5: Washington Post showing images of an empty arena for a Trump rally hours before it started to claim it was empty (I guess its kinda fake news, though not on the same level as the above)
#6: CNN's koi pond fish feeding frenzy bullshit (fake news, petty fake news)
#7: CNN's false report about scaramucci having russian contacts (well fuck me, thats the example of fake news I figured he wouldn't use)
#8: Newsweek falsely reporting the polish first lady never shook Trumps hand (erm I guess its fake news but I never heard about it until now)
#9: CNN falsely reporting Comey would contradict Trump's claims about being told he wasn't under investigation during his testimony (very fake news! sad)
#10: NYT falsely reporting Trump had hidden a climate page report (yup that one was fake news)
#11 bonus round:, I quote: "RUSSIA COLLUSION!" Russian collusion is perhaps the greatest hoax perpetrated on the American people. THERE IS NO COLLUSION!" (no donald, that is not fake news, not in any conventional sense. A hoax and nonsensical political hysteria perpetuated by fake news stories perhaps, but it cannot be put on the same level of specific fake news stories with verifiably false allegations.)

I thus award Trump a 9/11
Good job

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Jan 17 2018 07:39pm
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Took a few minutes to load the google cache which was itself hugged to death. I'll transcribe

#1: NYT's Krugman claims on election day that the economy would never recover from Trump (<--- this is not 'fake news, donald', its an opinion/prediction/editorial. Albeit a profoundly wrong one)
#2: Brian Ross's false report on flynn testifying about being instruction to meet with russians in campaign instead of after the election (actual fake news)
#3: CNN's false report that the Trump campaign was given early access to wikileaks documents (actual fake news)
#4: TIME false report that Trump removed the MLK bust from the oval office (actual fake news)
#5: Washington Post showing images of an empty arena for a Trump rally hours before it started to claim it was empty (I guess its kinda fake news, though not on the same level as the above)
#6: CNN's koi pond fish feeding frenzy bullshit (fake news, petty fake news)
#7: CNN's false report about scaramucci having russian contacts (well fuck me, thats the example of fake news I figured he wouldn't use)
#8: Newsweek falsely reporting the polish first lady never shook Trumps hand (erm I guess its fake news but I never heard about it until now)
#9: CNN falsely reporting Comey would contradict Trump's claims about being told he wasn't under investigation during his testimony (very fake news! sad)
#10: NYT falsely reporting Trump had hidden a climate page report (yup that one was fake news)
#11 bonus round:, I quote: "RUSSIA COLLUSION!" Russian collusion is perhaps the greatest hoax perpetrated on the American people. THERE IS NO COLLUSION!" (no donald, that is not fake news, not in any conventional sense. A hoax and nonsensical political hysteria perpetuated by fake news stories perhaps, but it cannot be put on the same level of specific fake news stories with verifiably false allegations.)

I thus award Trump a 9/11
Good job

https://i.imgur.com/ILSkJfR.jpg


now that is spicy
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Jan 17 2018 07:43pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 17 Jan 2018 21:38)
Took a few minutes to load the google cache which was itself hugged to death. I'll transcribe

#1: NYT's Krugman claims on election day that the economy would never recover from Trump (<--- this is not 'fake news, donald', its an opinion/prediction/editorial. Albeit a profoundly wrong one)
#2: Brian Ross's false report on flynn testifying about being instruction to meet with russians in campaign instead of after the election (actual fake news)
#3: CNN's false report that the Trump campaign was given early access to wikileaks documents (actual fake news)
#4: TIME false report that Trump removed the MLK bust from the oval office (actual fake news)
#5: Washington Post showing images of an empty arena for a Trump rally hours before it started to claim it was empty (I guess its kinda fake news, though not on the same level as the above)
#6: CNN's koi pond fish feeding frenzy bullshit (fake news, petty fake news)
#7: CNN's false report about scaramucci having russian contacts (well fuck me, thats the example of fake news I figured he wouldn't use)
#8: Newsweek falsely reporting the polish first lady never shook Trumps hand (erm I guess its fake news but I never heard about it until now)
#9: CNN falsely reporting Comey would contradict Trump's claims about being told he wasn't under investigation during his testimony (very fake news! sad)
#10: NYT falsely reporting Trump had hidden a climate page report (yup that one was fake news)
#11 bonus round:, I quote: "RUSSIA COLLUSION!" Russian collusion is perhaps the greatest hoax perpetrated on the American people. THERE IS NO COLLUSION!" (no donald, that is not fake news, not in any conventional sense. A hoax and nonsensical political hysteria perpetuated by fake news stories perhaps, but it cannot be put on the same level of specific fake news stories with verifiably false allegations.)

I thus award Trump a 9/11
Good job

https://i.imgur.com/ILSkJfR.jpg



lmfao he nailed that
watching the NY slimes scream that their nobel prize winning economist is only qualified for opinion pieces is a masterstroke
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Jan 17 2018 11:51pm
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haha
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Jan 18 2018 01:54am
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ Jan 18 2018 12:51am)


time to exit
out

LOL

This post was edited by Whiskers on Jan 18 2018 01:54am
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Jan 18 2018 02:44am
Quote (Whiskers @ Jan 17 2018 11:54pm)
time to exit
out

LOL


He's a remnant
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